In response to Lodewijk's request for tools, at WLM-US we have a particular need for a tool to screen the large number of photos we expect to receive down to a reasonable number that can be judged directly by a distinguished jury.

Since the US is very roughly the size of the EU, we very roughly expect to get about the same number of photos as were submitted last year for all of Europe, or perhaps a bit less. If only 100,000 photos are submitted, we have a very big task. In order to get our distinguished jury (which will be officially announced later this week), we've promised them that they will only have to judge the best 500 photos, as determined by community input. So the question is how to go from 100,000 down to 500.

I suspect that a large country like India may have the same type of problem, and I'd also like to hear from Germany or any other country that had over 20,000 photos to judge last year. Any suggestions are welcome, but please realize that for most countries their experience last year is smaller by an order of magnitude than what we expect this year.

Tools that we are considering - if you know how well these work please let us know! *The system used by POTY this year with voters (ordinary Wikipedians) viewing and voting on randomized pictures in different categories. In all they had 600 photos, divided into about 30 categories with the maximum number in a category being about 60. So this system certainly works for 600 pix, and probably for 1,000. But will it work for 10,000? or 100,000?

*Dividing the overall group in 53 categories (50 states, plus DC, PR and other), in the belief that state volunteers can probably do most of the work on about 2,000-3,000 photos per state. A bot might do the dividing by changing the category of the photos. It would likely be divided more like a few hundred each for states like Idaho and Wyoming, and 10,000 each for states like CA and NY. Maybe this division might just make the total work 53 times harder?!

*Using a self-nominating and open-nominating system. On or after uploading the uploader, or any other Wikipedian, could nominate any picture for further consideration, likely by changing the category from something like [[Category:WLM-US 2012]] to [[Category:WLM-US 2012 nominated]]. I'd guess this would cut down on the number of pix to be considered by about 90%. But it would also discriminate against newbies - who likely don't know how to edit categories.

*Using several tools, or several rounds, but there is a pretty limited time from the closing of the contest to the time we need to get the top 500 to the jury, to October 21 when results are due.

Any concrete suggestions would be appreciated.

User:Smallbones

Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:56:58 +0200 From: Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Tools Message-ID: CACf6BetKZH3n7VhDh8ES78ETZK4JoZk6cn4Bfp82EKrXTEPzzg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi all,

if you have produced a tool to make the Wiki Loves Monuments life easier, please share it! Even if you only produced it for your country, other countries might be interested in using it. So did you produce a tool to make the jury work easier? To find monuments on a map? To make it easy to print a selection of monuments to visit them and build a route? Please add them on our toolbox page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Tools and share the sourcecode as described there.

The toolbox is rather empty at this point, and I believe there are more tools available :)

Best,

lodewijk