I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?) participant. He has uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really weird and invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a park [the park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His last gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other numbers to see even more columns :D [or just check this out: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja; look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area surrounded by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence has. I can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I cannot see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if they are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let them stay until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of almost equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I won't allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the rules don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be happy and participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
well sounds like a job for openstreetmap, the germans map every single lightpost, so i would say if they have geotags, keep them and put them on osm. mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Racso racso@colombia.com wrote:
I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?) participant. He has uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really weird and invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a park [the park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His last gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other numbers to see even more columns :D [or just check this out: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja; look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area surrounded by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence has. I can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I cannot see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if they are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let them stay until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of almost equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I won't allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the rules don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be happy and participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
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Besides, the columns seem to have names(?) on them, so there might be a meaning somewhere..
Ole
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com
wrote:
well sounds like a job for openstreetmap, the germans map every single lightpost, so i would say if they have geotags, keep them and put them on osm. mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Racso racso@colombia.com wrote:
I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?) participant. He
has
uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really weird
and
invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a park
[the
park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His
last
gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other numbers to see even more columns :D [or just check this out:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja ;
look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area
surrounded
by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence has. I can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I
cannot
see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if they are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let them
stay
until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of almost equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep,
columns!
[And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I won't allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the rules don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be happy
and
participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
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well i looked, they are not geotagged. so challenge him/her, ask them to geolocate them, ask them to transcribe them text. this could be attention seeking behaviour, so give them some attention , but also challenge them to do more intensive work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_seeking
mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Besides, the columns seem to have names(?) on them, so there might be a meaning somewhere..
Ole
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
well sounds like a job for openstreetmap, the germans map every single lightpost, so i would say if they have geotags, keep them and put them on osm. mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Racso racso@colombia.com wrote:
I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?) participant. He has uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really weird and invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a park [the park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His last gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other numbers to see even more columns :D [or just check this out:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja; look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area surrounded by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence has. I can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I cannot see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if they are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let them stay until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of almost equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I won't allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the rules don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be happy and participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
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Hi Oscar,
Thanks for your mail. I don't have the feeling from the column pictures at least that this is a troll or attention seeker. Lets assume good faith, and assume he indeed wants to make detailed photos.
Then I think that allowing them as images is totally fine. It may be obvious that these pictures are unlikely to win any prize though. Disqualification won't help anyone and will at best get you huge discussions. What is important though, is that he identifies which monument it is. Transcribing etc seems to me too much like you're making fun of him - do I definitely don't agree with that suggestion.
So, if this indeed seems like a detail of monument 06-050, then just accept it as a submission. If you want him also to make overview photos, you could just ask him that in a constructive way like "Hey, thanks for participating! I see you make a lot of nice detailed photos, but I wondered if you could, on top of that, also make a few overview photos so that it is clear how these details relate to each other".
Hope that helps,
Lodewijk
2012/9/15 Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com
well i looked, they are not geotagged. so challenge him/her, ask them to geolocate them, ask them to transcribe them text. this could be attention seeking behaviour, so give them some attention , but also challenge them to do more intensive work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_seeking
mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Besides, the columns seem to have names(?) on them, so there might be a meaning somewhere..
Ole
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
well sounds like a job for openstreetmap, the germans map every single lightpost, so i would say if they have geotags, keep them and put them on osm. mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Racso racso@colombia.com wrote:
I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?) participant.
He
has uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really
weird
and invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a park [the park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His last gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other numbers to see even more columns :D [or just check this out:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja ;
look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area surrounded by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence has.
I
can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I cannot see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if
they
are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let
them
stay until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of
almost
equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I
won't
allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the
rules
don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be happy and participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
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2012/9/15 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
I'm looking for the dead rat to add [[Category:Dead animals]] and it's taking a while to spot it. ;-)
Looks like you found it :P
2012/9/15 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Thanks for your mail.
No, thank you and everyone else for your advice! :)
So, if this indeed seems like a detail of monument 06-050
The fact is that here (and maybe in some of your countries) some areas are monuments as a whole. In this case, for example, 06-050 refers to the "historic zone" of a town, so buildings, streets, etc. that are located in the area are considered to be valid. So yes, those are details of a building which is located in the historic zone.
Disqualification won't help anyone and will at best get you huge discussions
Well, I was hoping to optimize the amount of photos the jury will see so they can truly focus in picking the best images. More images mean more work and stress for them; having them review more than 100 (!) columns pictures (which, as you said, probably won't win anything) is, imho, innecesary.
OK guys, if you think the pictures are fine then I'm happy with that (specially because, as I told before, is a lot of work to keep checking new pictures looking for "invalid" stuff). I will let every picture participate (even the rats, I guess; the jury will whip them out) and limit my actions just to telling people who uploaded photos without valid IDs to tag them properly.
Thank you all. Oscar
2012/9/15 Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com
well i looked, they are not geotagged. so challenge him/her, ask them to geolocate them, ask them to transcribe them text. this could be attention seeking behaviour, so give them some attention , but also challenge them to do more intensive work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_seeking
mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Besides, the columns seem to have names(?) on them, so there might be a meaning somewhere..
Ole
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
well sounds like a job for openstreetmap, the germans map every single lightpost, so i would say if they have geotags, keep them and put them on osm. mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Racso racso@colombia.com wrote:
I'm having a bit of trouble with a really weird (troll?)
participant. He
has uploaded some valid photos to the contest, but also lots of really
weird
and invalid stuff (for example, a photograph of a dead rat found in a
park
[the park is a monument, so let's take some close-up details of it!]). His last gift was this golden collection:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N33.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N35.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:N39.jpg
(Try changing the two-digits number of the filename with other
numbers
to see even more columns :D [or just check this out:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Ivan_Tunja ;
look for the "NXX.jpg" filenames])
Apparently, this time he is moving around the inside of an area surrounded by some kind of fence and taking photos to each column the fence
has. I
can't even know if the columns are part of a valid monument because I cannot see what is behind the photographer (inside the fence); and even if
they
are, I think this is just irrational and not useful at all!
What do you think I should do? Nothing? Disqualify the images? Let
them
stay until the end of september and then filter them? I don't feel comfortable knowing that about 10% of the contest valid images are photos of
almost
equal columns :S ("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]"). Also, I'm getting tired of following this guy's contribution to filter the non-useful, even offensive pictures (I
won't
allow the rat image to reach the judges!). I think that, while the
rules
don't state that uploading dozens of almost equal photos is invalid, this guy is clearly stretching the spirit of the competition.
Any advice of how to deal with this kind of behaviour will be really appreciated. If you think that I'm wrong and I should let him be
happy
and participate with his images, tell me so; It will also be appreciated.
Racso
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On 15/09/12 18:26, Racso wrote:
OK guys, if you think the pictures are fine then I'm happy with that (specially because, as I told before, is a lot of work to keep checking new pictures looking for "invalid" stuff). I will let every picture participate (even the rats, I guess; the jury will whip them out) and limit my actions just to telling people who uploaded photos without valid IDs to tag them properly.
Thank you all. Oscar
If they can view thumbnails of them, I think they will be happy to discard so fast so many images. :)
Racso, 15/09/2012 09:24:
("Hey, check out Colombia cultural heritage! Yep, columns! [And dead rats!]").
Does anyone browse the category like this? If yes, you might as well just move the biggest bunches of photos of the same monument to a subcategory maybe (with cat-a-lot it takes 5 min at most)? I don't think the situation is so bad, though: for instance I'm looking for the dead rat to add [[Category:Dead animals]] and it's taking a while to spot it. ;-) Also, several countries don't consider the number of photos, rather the number of monuments photographed by each participants: this rule might be enough.
Nemo
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