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Tomasz W. Kozłowski

25 Sep 2012 25 Sep '12

5:53 p.m.

We've just been mentioned in an article on BoingBoing, see <http://boingboing.net/2012/09/25/humanio.html>. I am absolutely stunned by the ways that people are using our data, this is brilliant! -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Maarten Dammers

25 Sep 25 Sep

8:06 p.m.

Hi Tomasz, Op 25-9-2012 19:53, Tomasz W. Kozłowski schreef:

We've just been mentioned in an article on BoingBoing, see <http://boingboing.net/2012/09/25/humanio.html>. I am absolutely stunned by the ways that people are using our data, this is brilliant!

Nice, but are the photos at http://wikipedia.human.io/ at Commons? What is the license? Who is the author? It does look good! Maarten

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Tomasz W. Kozłowski

8:18 p.m.

On 25 September 2012 22:06, Maarten Dammers wrote:

Nice, but are the photos at http://wikipedia.human.io/ at Commons? What is the license? Who is the author?

I doubt it, looks like it's not that much of a good idea after all. It seems to me that the pictures are currently being uploaded to their server, and the pictures are copyrighted by Tasty Labs, Inc. Not to mention that they are using the Wikipedia trademark, and I very much doubt that they have contacted the Wikimedia Foundation about it. I'll be contacting Tasty Labs with all those questions in a minute. -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Arthur Richards

8:25 p.m.

I downloaded the app for android - it is very limited (particularly compared to our WLM app), but when you select a monument to photograph it asks you to confirm that the photo be licensed appropriately - at least monuments near me are prompting for CC-BY-SA license. I presume [perhaps incorrectly] that they're pulling the correct license information for the campaigns, but I cannot be sure. However, the license does not appear to be appropriately honored on their site and it is unclear how the photos get to commons (or even if they do at all). It would probably be wise to follow up with human.io to get these questions answered publicly so users are not in danger of being misled. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

On 25 September 2012 22:06, Maarten Dammers wrote:

Nice, but are the photos at http://wikipedia.human.io/ at Commons? What

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the license? Who is the author?

I doubt it, looks like it's not that much of a good idea after all. It seems to me that the pictures are currently being uploaded to their server, and the pictures are copyrighted by Tasty Labs, Inc. Not to mention that they are using the Wikipedia trademark, and I very much doubt that they have contacted the Wikimedia Foundation about it. I'll be contacting Tasty Labs with all those questions in a minute. -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687

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Tomasz W. Kozłowski

8:53 p.m.

Hi Arthur, thanks for the information, it's greatly appreciated! I have just written to Tasty Labs, asking them about their wrong use of the name ("Wikipedia Loves Monuments"), the lack of attribution and any mention of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence, and their plans of moving the pictures to Commons. It looks to me that their intention is good (helping Wikipedia), but they missed some points that we, Wikimedians, tend to give more importance than the Average Joe (or Joe Bloggs if you prefer British English). I should get back to you with more information as soon as I receive a reply from Tasty Labs; please stay tuned! -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Strainu

26 Sep 26 Sep

8:36 a.m.

2012/9/25 Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 25 September 2012 22:06, Maarten Dammers wrote:

Nice, but are the photos at http://wikipedia.human.io/ at Commons? What is the license? Who is the author?

I doubt it, looks like it's not that much of a good idea after all. It seems to me that the pictures are currently being uploaded to their server, and the pictures are copyrighted by Tasty Labs, Inc. Not to mention that they are using the Wikipedia trademark, and I very much doubt that they have contacted the Wikimedia Foundation about it. I'll be contacting Tasty Labs with all those questions in a minute.

Right now, the page says: "By submitting a photograph to this project, you (i) affirm that the photograph is your original work and you have all sufficient right to grant the following license and (ii) hereby license the photograph under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License." Strainu

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Tomasz W. Kozłowski

8:44 a.m.

On 26 September 2012 10:36, Strainu wrote:

Right now, the page says: "By submitting a photograph to this project, you (i) affirm that the photograph is your original work and you have all sufficient right to grant the following license and (ii) hereby license the photograph under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License."

This and the competition name visible on top of the page has been changed after I got in touch with the Tasty Labs team, who are /very/ helpful and acting in good faith. We are now sorting out the behind-the-scenes technical details, and I'll let you know as soon as there is more update on this. -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Cristian Consonni

27 Sep 27 Sep

12:18 a.m.

2012/9/26 Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

We are now sorting out the behind-the-scenes technical details, and I'll let you know as soon as there is more update on this.

Thank you for your prompt intervention, Tomasz. Cristian

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Samuel Klein

2 a.m.

This (app and response) is awesome. SJ On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

2012/9/26 Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

We are now sorting out the behind-the-scenes technical details, and I'll let you know as soon as there is more update on this.

Thank you for your prompt intervention, Tomasz. Cristian _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

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Lodewijk

28 Sep 28 Sep

10:30 a.m.

Hi, the stories I heard so far outside this list are rather negative though - at least for the iPhone. Apparently the GPS doesn't work well outside the US and the way they upload their pictures is still a bit shaky. Also the source code doesn't see open source? At the same time, it is interesting to see what an open API can do :) Lodewijk 2012/9/27 Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>

This (app and response) is awesome. SJ On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Cristian Consonni < kikkocristian(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2012/9/26 Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

We are now sorting out the behind-the-scenes technical details, and I'll let you know as soon as there is more update on this.

Thank you for your prompt intervention, Tomasz. Cristian _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

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Tomasz W. Kozłowski

3:24 p.m.

On 28 September 2012 12:30, Lodewijk wrote:

the stories I heard so far outside this list are rather negative though - at least for the iPhone. Apparently the GPS doesn't work well outside the US and the way they upload their pictures is still a bit shaky. Also the source code doesn't see open source?

The code is just about 200-250 lines in Python, so it might not be as usable as our official WLM application. I am, however, not able to test it because my smartphone uses an old Android 2.1 :-(

At the same time, it is interesting to see what an open API can do :)

They are not using any of our APIs at the moment; the data they use is based on a recent Wikipedia dump, as I have been told, and has not been updated since (as is the case with our database). -- Tomasz W. Kozłowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Arthur Richards
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Maarten Dammers
Samuel Klein
Strainu
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