open source software for running the competition - WikiLovesMonuments

Platonides

14 Sep 14 Sep

8:39 a.m.

On 14/09/12 09:02, Mike Dupont wrote:

Hi there, I am evaluating software for running a wlmpc, anyone can tell me where to find what they are using? any good photo uploaders for drupal? thanks mike

What's a wlmpc? I have no idea what you're trying to achieve...

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Mike Dupont

8:46 a.m.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Wiki Loves Monuments Photo Competition perhaps?

yes WLMPC, the competition. I am looking for a nice photo voting software with the ability to upload photos to commons. mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3

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Mike Dupont

8:53 a.m.

Ok, well my plan is to make it simpler for people, basically for them to upload to our sight and grant the rights to our organisation and we take care of the rest. we have huge problems with people refusing to do any more than facebook type operations. we need to lower the bar for our users to get anything out of them. mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Wiki Loves Monuments Photo Competition perhaps?

yes WLMPC, the competition. I am looking for a nice photo voting software with the ability to upload photos to commons. mike

We're mostly doing it the other way around - we're having people upload the photos to Commons, then having the jury select the pictures. The second part varies from country to country, for instance in Romania the jury just browses through the category, selects some pictures then they meet and evaluate each of the selected pictures individually. Strainu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3

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Strainu

9:06 a.m.

Then I may suggest flickr and panoramio groups, or whatever photo sharing software is used over there. We couldn't find any good solutions for Picasa, but if anyone does know of any, please share. Of course, that website MUST allow licensing the photo as CCBY or CCBYSA. Last year, Flickr provided 20% of our photos and it looks like the same thing is going to happen this year. I also remember Hungary used some custom solution due to the list licensing limitations, I'm sure they could tell you more about that. Strainu 2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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Ok, well my plan is to make it simpler for people, basically for them to upload to our sight and grant the rights to our organisation and we take care of the rest. we have huge problems with people refusing to do any more than facebook type operations. we need to lower the bar for our users to get anything out of them. mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Wiki Loves Monuments Photo Competition perhaps?

yes WLMPC, the competition. I am looking for a nice photo voting software with the ability to upload photos to commons. mike

We're mostly doing it the other way around - we're having people upload the photos to Commons, then having the jury select the pictures. The second part varies from country to country, for instance in Romania the jury just browses through the category, selects some pictures then they meet and evaluate each of the selected pictures individually. Strainu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

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Nicu Buculei

9:27 a.m.

On 09/14/2012 12:13 PM, Mike Dupont wrote:

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Well i want to make a simple solution. Of course we will collect under cc-by-sa 3.0/gfdl and not give them any other option. Also I will give people one extra vote if they upload directly to the commons. I am working on something code right now, not ready. Basic idea is to implement the various web apis like facebook photo api so that we can use applications like shotwell directly. I am working right now on shotwell/facebok rest api.

I don't understand this, if you want to make the uploads directly from Shotwell, why upload to Facebook and then import to Commons instead of uploading directly to Commons? Also, I think is a bit late now to think about uploading tools, the contest will close in a couple of weeks and then, starting with October 1, the main concern will be to consolidate everything on Commons and start the jury process. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com

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Lodewijk

9:29 a.m.

Hi Mike, this is something that was indeed done in some cases last years. However, we made the intentional choice to focus on uploading on Wikimedia Commons, and make that easier. This is because our main purpose of the competition (at least for me) is not the amount of pictures, but making people familiar with Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia - and with sharing their knowledge. If you then use an external platform to upload all the photos at, you're basically saying that Wikimedia Commons sucks big time, and people still don't understand that they can upload there always. Using an external platform also brings additional challanges (i.e. the control flow of copyright status, making sure all legal wording is correct, translations...) which have already been tackled in Commons. People who really don't want to do more than facebook operations, are unlikely to become very involved in Wikimedia anyway. I would prefer us to focus on making the upload form at Wikimedia Commons easier. In any case, I think that discussing this in October makes more sense - we shouldn't change much any more for this year's competition. Best, Lodewijk 2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>

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Well i want to make a simple solution. Of course we will collect under cc-by-sa 3.0/gfdl and not give them any other option. Also I will give people one extra vote if they upload directly to the commons. I am working on something code right now, not ready. Basic idea is to implement the various web apis like facebook photo api so that we can use applications like shotwell directly. I am working right now on shotwell/facebok rest api. https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/photo-librarian-server/ see my blog post http://rdfintrospector2.blogspot.de/2012/09/more-ideas-from-my-kosovo-trip.… mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Then I may suggest flickr and panoramio groups, or whatever photo sharing software is used over there. We couldn't find any good solutions for Picasa, but if anyone does know of any, please share. Of course, that website MUST allow licensing the photo as CCBY or CCBYSA. Last year, Flickr provided 20% of our photos and it looks like the same thing is going to happen this year. I also remember Hungary used some custom solution due to the list licensing limitations, I'm sure they could tell you more about that. Strainu 2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>: > Ok, well my plan is to make it simpler for people, > basically for them to upload to our sight and grant the rights to our > organisation and we take care of the rest. > we have huge problems with people refusing to do any more than > facebook type operations. we need to lower the bar for our users to > get anything out of them. > mike > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>: >>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com>

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>>>> >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments Photo Competition perhaps? >>> yes WLMPC, the competition. I am looking for a nice photo voting >>> software with the ability to upload photos to commons. >>> mike >> >> We're mostly doing it the other way around - we're having people >> upload the photos to Commons, then having the jury select the >> pictures. The second part varies from country to country, for instance >> in Romania the jury just browses through the category, selects some >> pictures then they meet and evaluate each of the selected pictures >> individually. >> >> Strainu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion

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-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

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Tomasz Ganicz

10:06 a.m.

2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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Well, For me the goal is to collect media about the area under a commons license. I am not interested in teaching people to read, because most of them dont. there is just too much text on commons for people to read, they dont understand or have the patience. It is not the commons suck, it is just at too high a level for the users that I am dealing with. We have tried to get translators, it is just too much for them.

I remember there was an Isrealis project of collecting old photos and then upload them to Commons via local server. Maybe they can share some code with you? By the way - such a server side collecting photo software would be usefull not only for WLM but also in many other cases - for example during cooperation with GLAM Institutions. Maybe you will find interesting a Vicunia uploader: https://github.com/yarl/vicuna It is probably still too sophisticated - but it let collect photos and add metadata off-line, save metadata as an xml file in a folder together with pictures and then upload files later. -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz

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Tomasz Ganicz

10:27 a.m.

2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2012/9/14 Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Well, For me the goal is to collect media about the area under a commons license. I am not interested in teaching people to read, because most of them dont. there is just too much text on commons for people to read, they dont understand or have the patience. It is not the commons suck, it is just at too high a level for the users that I am dealing with. We have tried to get translators, it is just too much for them.

I remember there was an Isrealis project of collecting old photos and then upload them to Commons via local server. Maybe they can share some code with you? By the way - such a server side collecting photo software would be usefull not only for WLM but also in many other cases - for example during cooperation with GLAM Institutions. Maybe you will find interesting a Vicunia uploader: https://github.com/yarl/vicuna It is probably still too sophisticated - but it let collect photos and add metadata off-line, save metadata as an xml file in a folder together with pictures and then upload files later.

thanks, a bit like the commonist. I will check it out, I am looking for an intermedia web server solution and maybe a super simple client app or just a web front end.

I think it is possible to use Vicunia as a client app - it is just a single jar file - not so large and probably after removing some not needed stuff it could be made simpler and lighter. -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz

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Mike Dupont

10:29 a.m.

Ok, did you try running a workshop with 20 people in kosovo over a slow internet connection? for single people it is fine maybe, but we need to have a fast local server. I am looking to get hosting on the local backbone. mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Nicu Buculei <nicubunu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 09/14/2012 12:37 PM, Mike Dupont wrote:

I tried to get people to upload to commons at our bootcamp http://kosovoinnovations.org/yap/digital-bootcamp and it failed, we had IP blocking of new users, we had the uploader failing, it was horrible and a waste of time. I need a solution that works and we can control and debug. also the wiki was running slow.

Mi experience was the total opposite, I talked recently with the top uploader from my country (Andrei_kokelburg, with 1366 images so far [and growing] currently the 6th global uploader) who is a *first time* Wikipedia contributor and tried to suggest him better tools like Commonist. His reply was the standard uploader is easy and good, he does not need anything else. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3

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Mike Dupont

11:42 a.m.

we can end this dicussion until i have code to show. thanks mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> wrote:

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This is getting a bit off topic. We're already getting too emails on this list. Topics should focus on things that are of interest of WLM now. I would suggest you continue this conversation on commons-l Maarten Op 14 sep 2012 om 12:29 heeft Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> het volgende geschreven:\

Ok, did you try running a workshop with 20 people in kosovo over a slow internet connection? for single people it is fine maybe, but we need to have a fast local server. I am looking to get hosting on the local backbone. mike On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Nicu Buculei <nicubunu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 09/14/2012 12:37 PM, Mike Dupont wrote:

I tried to get people to upload to commons at our bootcamp http://kosovoinnovations.org/yap/digital-bootcamp and it failed, we had IP blocking of new users, we had the uploader failing, it was horrible and a waste of time. I need a solution that works and we can control and debug. also the wiki was running slow.

Mi experience was the total opposite, I talked recently with the top uploader from my country (Andrei_kokelburg, with 1366 images so far [and growing] currently the 6th global uploader) who is a *first time* Wikipedia contributor and tried to suggest him better tools like Commonist. His reply was the standard uploader is easy and good, he does not need anything else. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3

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Mike Dupont

2:37 p.m.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Have you taken a look at the Upload Campaigns we are using for WLM? Eg. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard?campaign=wlm-es You will find a much nicer flow.

OK, that sounds great. Will have the check that.

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You can request in advance an higher account creation limit if you are going to host a workshop. If you have a sysop there (which can be quite useful), they can also bypass it.

it was too late for that.

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Ok, did you try running a workshop with 20 people in kosovo over a slow internet connection? for single people it is fine maybe, but we need to have a fast local server. I am looking to get hosting on the local backbone.

If you want to get many people to upload photos (eg. the results of doing a Wiki Takes) and you have just a small upstream bandwidth, I'd just collect them in a single system (eg. one folder per participant) and have the organization upload them later.

even just the wiki was slow, We need a local caching server for situations like that. What about a mobile offline camp in a tent? mike

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