I guess I might just be because I'm a jaded American, but I am stunned and impressed that you were able to get that much support and encouragement from your government/government agency. It's is an example that I hope many national WLM groups will be able to follow.
Yours, Sven
-------- Original message -------- From: Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch Date: 05/24/2013 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "Mailing list for Wikimedia CH (wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org)" wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org,"Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition (wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org)" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Meeting with Fed. Office for Civil Protection - Section Cultural Property Protection
Dear all, Yesterday, I have met with the people responsible for the protection of cultural properties at the Federal Office for Civil Protection in Switzerland. The minutes (in German) can be found here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Schweizer_Denkmallisten/M... Here a summary: - They are happy to help us with the monuments lists in their area of competence (in addition to the lists of cultural properties of national and regional significance which are handled at the national level, there are also cantonal and municipal monuments lists which they are not responsible for). - They are positive about Wiki Loves Monuments; the same is true for the cantonal instances they are in contact with (monument protection services / civil protection services). - They promised to provide us with database dumps, including all the KGS-identifiers (A- and B-objects; identifiers of B objects have been missing so far) by the end of May / beginning of June. - They will take measures to facilitate the updating of the lists on Wikipedia in the future (clearly indicating changes on their lists; making database dumps available). - They ask us not to use the official white-blue cultural-property sign for any other objects than KGS class A objects and not to use similar signs either (in fact the use of the official sign is regulated by international law and Swiss law) – This should be taken into account when designing the interfaces of information systems (map applications, phone apps, etc.) - They gave us recommendations in order to avoid complications due to the different semantic systems at various federal levels - They will be happy to get informed about any corrections made by the community. So, and now I hope that the 26+ cantonal and municipal authorities responsible for the rest of the monuments will be as cooperative as the federal ones! ;-) Kind regards, Beat Estermann _____________________________________________________ Beat Estermann Research Associate Berne University of Applied Sciences E-Government Institute Morgartenstrasse 2a Postfach 305 CH-3000 Bern 22 beat.estermann@bfh.ch www.e-government.bfh.ch Phone +41 31 848 34 30 Phone (direct number) +41 31 848 34 38 Fax +41 31 848 34 31
In switzerland is not so much complicated to have support from the administration. The problem is that they would not waste their time and they have great expectations. As soon they feel that those two points are not assured, they don't wait so much to leave this support.
Regards Il giorno 24/mag/2013 16:46, "Sven Manguard" svenmanguard@gmail.com ha scritto:
I guess I might just be because I'm a jaded American, but I am stunned and impressed that you were able to get that much support and encouragement from your government/government agency. It's is an example that I hope many national WLM groups will be able to follow.
Yours, Sven
-------- Original message -------- From: Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch Date: 05/24/2013 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "Mailing list for Wikimedia CH (wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org)" < wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org>,"Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition (wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org)" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Meeting with Fed. Office for Civil Protection - Section Cultural Property Protection
Dear all,****
Yesterday, I have met with the people responsible for the protection of cultural properties at the Federal Office for Civil Protection in Switzerland.****
The minutes (in German) can be found here:****
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Schweizer_Denkmallisten/M...
Here a summary:****
They are happy to help us with the monuments lists in their areaof competence (in addition to the lists of cultural properties of national and regional significance which are handled at the national level, there are also cantonal and municipal monuments lists which they are not responsible for).****
They are positive about Wiki Loves Monuments; the same is truefor the cantonal instances they are in contact with (monument protection services / civil protection services).****
They promised to provide us with database dumps, including allthe KGS-identifiers (A- and B-objects; identifiers of B objects have been missing so far) by the end of May / beginning of June.****
They will take measures to facilitate the updating of the listson Wikipedia in the future (clearly indicating changes on their lists; making database dumps available).****
They ask us not to use the official white-blue cultural-propertysign for any other objects than KGS class A objects and not to use similar signs either (in fact the use of the official sign is regulated by international law and Swiss law) – This should be taken into account when designing the interfaces of information systems (map applications, phone apps, etc.)****
They gave us recommendations in order to avoid complications dueto the different semantic systems at various federal levels****
They will be happy to get informed about any corrections made bythe community.****
So, and now I hope that the 26+ cantonal and municipal authorities responsible for the rest of the monuments will be as cooperative as the federal ones! ;-)****
Kind regards,****
Beat Estermann ****
_____________________________________________________ ****
Beat Estermann Research Associate****
Berne University of Applied Sciences E-Government Institute Morgartenstrasse 2a Postfach 305 CH-3000 Bern 22 ****
beat.estermann@bfh.ch www.e-government.bfh.ch ****
Phone +41 31 848 34 30 Phone (direct number) +41 31 848 34 38 Fax +41 31 848 34 31 ****
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
hi,
key to this is to gain the trust, as well that they have had a high initial trust. these people are, at least imo, very apreciable persons. we included them closely in the whole process when WLM came first to switzerland in 2011, and made sure the expectations are managed. we always tried to make sure to leave a state which allows us to come back at any time and continue working with each other.
rupert. -------------- swissGLAMour, http://www.wikimedia.ch
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
In switzerland is not so much complicated to have support from the administration. The problem is that they would not waste their time and they have great expectations. As soon they feel that those two points are not assured, they don't wait so much to leave this support.
Regards
Il giorno 24/mag/2013 16:46, "Sven Manguard" svenmanguard@gmail.com ha scritto:
I guess I might just be because I'm a jaded American, but I am stunned and impressed that you were able to get that much support and encouragement from your government/government agency. It's is an example that I hope many national WLM groups will be able to follow.
Yours, Sven
-------- Original message -------- From: Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch Date: 05/24/2013 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "Mailing list for Wikimedia CH (wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org)" wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org,"Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition (wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org)" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Meeting with Fed. Office for Civil Protection - Section Cultural Property Protection
Dear all,
Yesterday, I have met with the people responsible for the protection of cultural properties at the Federal Office for Civil Protection in Switzerland.
The minutes (in German) can be found here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Schweizer_Denkmallisten/M...
Here a summary:
They are happy to help us with the monuments lists in their areaof competence (in addition to the lists of cultural properties of national and regional significance which are handled at the national level, there are also cantonal and municipal monuments lists which they are not responsible for).
They are positive about Wiki Loves Monuments; the same is true forthe cantonal instances they are in contact with (monument protection services / civil protection services).
They promised to provide us with database dumps, including all theKGS-identifiers (A- and B-objects; identifiers of B objects have been missing so far) by the end of May / beginning of June.
They will take measures to facilitate the updating of the lists onWikipedia in the future (clearly indicating changes on their lists; making database dumps available).
They ask us not to use the official white-blue cultural-propertysign for any other objects than KGS class A objects and not to use similar signs either (in fact the use of the official sign is regulated by international law and Swiss law) – This should be taken into account when designing the interfaces of information systems (map applications, phone apps, etc.)
They gave us recommendations in order to avoid complications dueto the different semantic systems at various federal levels
They will be happy to get informed about any corrections made bythe community.
So, and now I hope that the 26+ cantonal and municipal authorities responsible for the rest of the monuments will be as cooperative as the federal ones! ;-)
Kind regards,
Beat Estermann
Beat Estermann Research Associate
Berne University of Applied Sciences E-Government Institute Morgartenstrasse 2a Postfach 305 CH-3000 Bern 22
beat.estermann@bfh.ch www.e-government.bfh.ch
Phone +41 31 848 34 30 Phone (direct number) +41 31 848 34 38 Fax +41 31 848 34 31
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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