Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine
Hi Josephine,
if you open the code of the template
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021
you can see which countries have been added. Australia has not been added. The template is not yet protected, you can add it yourself, or I can do it for you if needed.
Best Yaroslav
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:32 PM Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument... - Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_ Monuments_2021/Participating_countries
The template (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_ Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template: Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021&action=edit - Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_logos ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@ lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Josephine,
that's ok - I think it is helpful for many countries where this infrastructure doesn't exist yet :-) Is there a way to opt out of this upload link being used for participating countries in WLM?
BR, Philip
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:37, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
Best regards, Josephine _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Philip,
I don't think that this version of the app will be set as the official upload link anywhere. It will just be a matter of national organizers suggesting it as a mobile alternative to their community (or otherwise not).
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 18:17, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
that's ok - I think it is helpful for many countries where this infrastructure doesn't exist yet :-) Is there a way to opt out of this upload link being used for participating countries in WLM?
BR, Philip
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:37, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all, > > Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying > to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the > country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country > code and insert it into the template. > > However we are still getting errors; as shown at > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I > have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 > |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated > in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with > various other country codes listed at > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... > ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does. > > TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, > perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to > get a machine-readable list of these countries? > > Thanks! > > Best regards, > Josephine > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hello Josephine,
Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be
possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
Maybe you can store every country code from this module and when competition comes, you can just activate only those countries, which are participating and let others remain in the background. At least then you don't have to change country codes each year.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 14:42, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Philip,
I don't think that this version of the app will be set as the official upload link anywhere. It will just be a matter of national organizers suggesting it as a mobile alternative to their community (or otherwise not).
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 18:17, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
that's ok - I think it is helpful for many countries where this infrastructure doesn't exist yet :-) Is there a way to opt out of this upload link being used for participating countries in WLM?
BR, Philip
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:37, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders < effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Josephine, > > this depends on the values defined in the template itself: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument... > - Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does. > > I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the > categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently > done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons > category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own > category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other > people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but > ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the > heritage ID as a parameter. > > BR, > Philip > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim < > josephinelim86@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are >> trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently >> retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the >> two-letter country code and insert it into the template. >> >> However we are still getting errors; as shown at >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , >> I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 >> |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated >> in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with >> various other country codes listed at >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... >> ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does. >> >> TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, >> perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to >> get a machine-readable list of these countries? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Best regards, >> Josephine >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Hi Bodhisattwa,
Thanks for the suggestion! So basically, we will only know for certain which countries are participating this year, on 1 Sep? It is no problem for us to do this, but due to the nature of workflow associated with a release, we need to know when we can "activate" them.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 20:26, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Josephine,
Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be
possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
Maybe you can store every country code from this module and when competition comes, you can just activate only those countries, which are participating and let others remain in the background. At least then you don't have to change country codes each year.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 14:42, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Philip,
I don't think that this version of the app will be set as the official upload link anywhere. It will just be a matter of national organizers suggesting it as a mobile alternative to their community (or otherwise not).
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 18:17, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Josephine,
that's ok - I think it is helpful for many countries where this infrastructure doesn't exist yet :-) Is there a way to opt out of this upload link being used for participating countries in WLM?
BR, Philip
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:37, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders < effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Josephine, > > The list of participating countries can be found here - > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... > > The template ( > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) > is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is > just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is > still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it > will not end up in this template. > > Regards, > Bodhisattwa > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky < > philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Josephine, >> >> this depends on the values defined in the template itself: >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument... >> - Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does. >> >> I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the >> categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently >> done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons >> category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own >> category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other >> people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but >> ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the >> heritage ID as a parameter. >> >> BR, >> Philip >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim < >> josephinelim86@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are >>> trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently >>> retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the >>> two-letter country code and insert it into the template. >>> >>> However we are still getting errors; as shown at >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , >>> I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 >>> |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated >>> in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with >>> various other country codes listed at >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... >>> ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does. >>> >>> TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, >>> perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to >>> get a machine-readable list of these countries? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Josephine >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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I maintain Module:WL_data for WLM, making sure that the countries and time are right. I keep this and the Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021 in sync based on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
In the months/weeks before the syncing is done once in a while, but close to the start I make sure it is in sync frequently.
So please, just leave the module and template to me.
Romaine
Op vr 13 aug. 2021 om 09:37 schreef Josephine Lim <josephinelim86@gmail.com
:
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the help! So from what I can gather, the most up-to-date list of participating countries is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici... (and eventually someone will edit the WLM 2021 template to reflect that list), however it is not machine readable. If there are so few countries, it is actually not a problem for us to just create our own machine-readable list based on that. Is there a deadline for countries adding themselves to that list?
@Lodewijk: Adding https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data might be possible, however that seems extremely out of date? There are more than triple the number of countries in it, compared to the Participating_countries list.
@Philip: I understand and I apologize. Unfortunately we are simply not capable of implementing country-specific templates this year with our resource constraints, as we are very close to the start of WLM now and honestly we have already gone far past the number of hours budgeted for this. It is only now that I understand how truly country-specific almost every aspect of the implementation is, and if I could do it over, I would have requested at least double the resources for this specifically. This will all be documented and noted for future iterations of the app, but for this year I'm afraid it is not possible.
Best regards, Josephine
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 05:55, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Is it still impossble for organizers to approve regional / non-national competitions?
Best Z
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
As background: Josephine is working on the commons app.
Josephine, what you're looking for is something machine readable. The template could work, but an easier way for you may be to somehow get to the content of this page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:WL_data
That is also more sustainable for future campaigns. It may be occasionally a bit out of date, but generally is correct.
Best,
Lodewijk
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:28 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
The list of participating countries can be found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021/Partici...
The template ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2021) is not also updated according the list mentioned above. Looks like, it is just a copy of previous year's competition and needs update. Australia is still not willing to participate in the competition this year, so maybe it will not end up in this template.
Regards, Bodhisattwa
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 20:28, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Josephine,
this depends on the values defined in the template itself: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wiki_Loves_Monument...
- Australia doesn't exist (yet), but IE does.
I must say though that this kind of upload circumvents the categorisation work and assigning the correct heritage ID that is currently done in quite a few countries. Wikidata-Items with a linked commons category are easy, but the majority of objects will not have its own category and just dumping them in a WLM category puts the workload on other people. There are countries where the template accepts the Wikidata-ID, but ideally the upload link would use the country's wlm capaign and assign the heritage ID as a parameter.
BR, Philip
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:32, Josephine Lim josephinelim86@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Just a quick question about the WLM 2021 template that we are trying to add to WLM uploads made via the Commons app. We currently retrieve the country that a monument is in, then convert it to the two-letter country code and insert it into the template.
However we are still getting errors; as shown at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newstead_Gasworks_4.jpg , I have uploaded a test image with the template {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 |1= au}} but the page says "English: No or incorrect country code indicated in the {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2021}} template". I have experimented with various other country codes listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_country_log... ; interestingly some like "al" or "ad" do not work, but "ie" does.
TLDR: Does the template only accept some countries and not others, perhaps only countries participating in WLM 2021? Is it possible for us to get a machine-readable list of these countries?
Thanks!
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