User:Saibo asked me to forward it to this list:
*I saw the current WLM central notice banner uses the "poty stack": aside
from being not really a suitable pic for WLM the usage of that image is a copyvio. The authors are not mentioned on the WLM page (where the banner links to) and not even a link to the authors is available. The topmost, most visible image is copyrighted (but, of course, freely licensed).*
He is talking about this picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poty_stack_2006-2009_thumb_77x60px.p...
Should we do something about this? _____ *Béria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
Not even give a link to the picture in the land page (for sake of following the license?)
Is quite strange to fight copyvio and then do not follow the license in the picture we use in the banner. _____ *Béria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 4 September 2012 19:09, Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
No.
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On 5 September 2012 00:14, Béria Lima wrote:
Not even give a link to the picture in the land page (for sake of following the license?)
If you can point me to a requirement in the CC-BY 2.5 licence which says that a website needs to attribute all images that link to it, then I will be more than glad to do it :-) However, I would then immediately link all images I created to the website of the Foundation, and then sue them for violating the terms of the licence I had chosen :-)
The way we use this picture does not differ too much of the way that all images on the MediaWiki-powered wikis are used in, except for the fact that we do not link to the file description page (because we link to the national websites of the participating countries. In fact, this does not differ /at all/ from the very popular usage of images like [[File:Example.jpg|link=Wikipedia:Help]], so I think we should also go after people using this, because they do not attribute the authors and don't link to the file description pages where the attribution is available.
(Being serious now.) We are calling the picture through an <img /> HTML tag, and there is not enough place to attribute the author(s), so the only way I can imagine this being done is through the "alt" and "title" attributes, but this wouldn't really fit in the requirements of the licence, would it?
(Note that the Wikimedia Foundation also violates the terms of the various licences used by Wikimedia contributors when using images in the fundraising banners, and I imagine that plenty people before us did the same.)
On 05/09/12 00:14, Béria Lima wrote:
Not even give a link to the picture in the land page (for sake of following the license?)
Is quite strange to fight copyvio and then do not follow the license in the picture we use in the banner. _____ /Béria Lima/
He's the author and has given a reasonable objection to the way we are using the file*. I'd remove it and replace with a new file made by us. Using some WLM 2011 pictures for instance (even though we should still provide some credit).
(* Actually I think Newton2 deserves more credit than Saibo for that picture, even though the photo shadows are cool, but both should be theoretically credited, plus Paulrudd and Mikel Ortega, whose photos -embedded in the original file albeit mostly hidden on the thumb- are not CC-BY compatible)
2012/9/5 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
On 05/09/12 00:14, Béria Lima wrote:
Not even give a link to the picture in the land page (for sake of following the license?)
Is quite strange to fight copyvio and then do not follow the license in the picture we use in the banner. _____ /Béria Lima/
He's the author and has given a reasonable objection to the way we are using the file*. I'd remove it and replace with a new file made by us. Using some WLM 2011 pictures for instance (even though we should still provide some credit).
(* Actually I think Newton2 deserves more credit than Saibo for that picture, even though the photo shadows are cool, but both should be theoretically credited, plus Paulrudd and Mikel Ortega, whose photos -embedded in the original file albeit mostly hidden on the thumb- are not CC-BY compatible)
Exactly :-) Honesty - I don't see anything creative in puting other person picture on top of the file and just shift and add some shadow... But anyway - WLM logo is under CC-BY-SA 3.0 - so using this logic we violate also copyright of this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LUSITANA_WLM_2011_d.svg
and in fact even harder :-) It is not credited on our banner but also on pencils, buttons, T-shirts etc... I guess some direct agreement from Lusitan is needed to be signed with WLM organisers...
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