WLM US is creating an interactive map based on KML layers. I'd be happy to share the code when it is done. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:53:57 +0200 From: maarten(a)mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Maps-l] Monuments on the map HI Magnus, Op 18-8-2013 23:23, Magnus Manske schreef: I am currently porting WikiShootMe to Labs: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ Looks nice! It fulfils #2, 3, and 5 of your list. 4 can be added rather quickly. I guess so. For 4 you could use intuition (translation tool was ported from the Toolserver recently). I like the tool, but I don't see a map. As for #1, I believe it's easy. As it is, it shows all articles without images around a given point. A small fork could be limited to the monuments list. Use the api. You can just append srwithoutimage=1 to the search string and it will only return entries without an image. I'm also in the process of setting up the monuments database on labs, than you can just do direct database queries. Will take a few days, as I only have evenings to work on this (and all my other tools); Labs makes it easy to add interested programmers, so if anyone wants to help... Can you add my account? Where is the code? Is it in git? Do you have a link? Time wise the same for me, work during the day and hack by night ;-) Maarten Cheers, Magnus On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> wrote: Hi everyone, We still lack a very important tool for Wiki Loves Monuments in September: A web based map to easily find monuments. We have the backend containing all the information: The monuments database has 750.000+ items with geo information and this is accessible as kml [1]. We just need a web based map interface to wrap around this and is easy to use. Some initial requirements: * Easy, probably only a filter to show monuments with or without a photo * Works in all participating countries * Centers on a location useful for the user (ask browser?) * Is available in multiple languages (translatewiki?) * Works in standard browsers without any add ons I've seen plenty of local tools over the years, but no tool that could just be used be everyone. Who can help out here? Maarten [1] http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&format=dynamic… _______________________________________________ Maps-l mailing list Maps-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/maps-l -- undefined _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

2013/8/19 Bastien <bzg(a)altern.org> See https://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php : srcountry & srlang are the parameters you are looking for. Thanks for your work with the map! -- Jean-Frédéric

Hi Bastien, Op 19-8-2013 19:41, Bastien schreef: You should probably stick to srlang=fr so you can use lang to set the language of the interface. (I thought I implemented it like that in the api, but for doesn't seem to work any more) Maarten

Hi Bastien, Op 19-8-2013 23:49, Bastien Guerry schreef: You should use srwithoutimage=1 instead of srwithimage=0 (it's not complete inverse, because of empty strings and NULL). You can see the difference here: * http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&srcountry=fr&a… (one entry) * http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&srcountry=fr&a… (empty) Maarten

Still far from usable, but I made some progress: http://wlmmap.herokuapp.com/ The next step is to implement a proper drop-down menu for the srcountry, and to display a better pop-up. Given an image file name, how do you programmatically retrieve the permalink? E.g. given Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg I can easily infer http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kohila_vesiveski2.jpg but not http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Kohila_vesiveski2.… Where does the "/2/24/" comes from? (The rest of the URL seems to follow a regular pattern.) Thanks in advance, -- Bastien

2013/8/20 Jean-Frédéric &lt;jeanfrederic.wiki(a)gmail.com&gt; Or you can use thumb.php, eg. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=Example.jpg&width=100 Anyway, here is map that will be used in Polish contest: http://wikizabytki.pl/mapa. I think it should work worldwide. -- *Paweł Marynowski* Koordynator konkursu Wiki Lubi Zabytki Stowarzyszenie Wikimedia Polska <http://pl.wikimedia.org/>

2013/8/22 Bastien &lt;bzg(a)altern.org&gt; How about http://wlmmap.org/ ? /Jan Ainali

Sylvain Boissel &lt;sylvainboissel(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: I don't mind buying a domain name and I'd rather host the tool an a dedicated domain, not a subdomain. -- Bastien

Hi Bastien, Op 24-8-2013 10:35, Bastien schreef: Focus for now on building the map for Wiki Loves Monuments (http://map.wikilovesmonuments.org ?) . Use the lessons learned after September to turn it in a more general tool. After September. Of course, can you load all the contents to see if it works? Not needed in September, people can zoom on the map. Not needed in September, we should however have the interface in multiple languages. Is your code in open repository? Did you take i18n into account? That's a clear use case for September Not needed for September All nice, but not needed for September. Before September otherwise it can't be advertised and linked to from the different sources. In my opinion you should focus on this very limited feature set and do it really well. Be aware of scope creep. Beware of scale, you won't be the first with a completely overloaded server in September. Please share you code and documentation on how you're doing this exactly. Me or others might be able to help. Awesome!!!! Maarten

Hi Bastien, Op 24-8-2013 17:03, Bastien schreef: Ok. How does this scale to the 1,3M items we have in the database right now? I'm sure the WLM international team has some money to get another (bigger) VPS if needed. It should be compatible with http://translatewiki.net/ . In short: Use message variables and store all the i18n messages in a separate file. That way we can it's easy to get a lot of translations in a short time. Isn't it already in git? Just the share the link :-) I just don't want to loose time over it and keep things focused on getting a map for WLM. The map subdomain is just easy to setup. I definitely don't want to bike shed of the domain name. Keep up the good work! Maarten

Hi all, here is what I've done so far: http://www.panoramap.org Blue markers are for monuments with photos, red markers are for monuments without photos. Please don't publish the link right now -- there are a few things I want to fix first (like mentioning the source of the data, etc.) The database is not 100% sync'ed with the one on the toolserver, I will sync it progressively. For now I'm interested in hearing about the general usability: is it too slow? Too CPU-consuming? Are the show/stop buttons intuitive enough? What do you think? Thanks in advance for your feedback, -- Bastien

Thanks Bastien. I find the "# of monuments" parameter strange. No, I don't know what they are supposed to do. Show apparently starts searching for monuments and Stop stops it middleway, but I don't know why there's such process. Perhaps the groups should have been cached per country? Also note that sometimes the links go outside the white balloon or the photo is only partially shown, with part of it above the top of the viewport. Regards

Hi all, the tool looks great! CPU consuming is ok (desktop, Windows 7 enterprise). I neither understand the #ofmonuments and I would change the show/stop colours to red/green. Without reading I clicked a couple of times to stop thinking it was the "go"button Just a quick question: is it posible somehow to change the basemap? This other tool, for example, shows a multiple layer option for OSM http://carare.eculturelab.eu/Carare50m/Map.html Great work, Bastien! 2013/9/5 Sylvain Machefert &lt;smachefert(a)gmail.com&gt;

Hi Sylvain, Sylvain Machefert &lt;smachefert(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: Yes, I removed the # monuments. The default now is to show all monuments when showing a country/lang monuments, and to show only the ones on the visible part of the map when showing "HERE". Thanks, -- Bastien

This looks very nice. A couple of point from my testing: * The country list would be improved with more descriptive text (the code for England will not be obvious to most people) * Loading the whole country is very slow - at least 5 minutes for all of the England buildings to be shown! Can the system load entries based on the current viewed area? * It would be good to have some indication of loading progress and particularly when loading has finished. * Some monuments are missing, including ones that are correctly in the English Wikipedia lists and have images. Where does the data come from, and how is the image determined? I hope that helps. Very good work! Michael On 4 Sep 2013, at 23:21, Bastien &lt;bzg(a)altern.org&gt; wrote:

Hi Maarten and all, Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt; writes: Very useful, thanks. Thanks a lot to everyone for the feedback. I'll continue hacking this tonight and tomorrow and will post an updated version tomorrow evening. -- Bastien

Yes, it would be fine to merge all the GB- entries into a single "United Kingdom" entry. (Name=United Kingdom, ISO country code =GB) Michael On 5 Sep 2013, at 19:26, Bastien wrote:

Thanks. Not a top priority! Michael On 12 Sep 2013, at 21:19, WordPress wrote:

Hi Platonides, Platonides &lt;platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: Thanks, that's useful. I'll probably go the dirty way and have a small database extracted from that if I don't find a java library. -- Bastien

Tiny update: there is now a "links" button to get the list of direct links. Example of a direct link: http://www.panoramap.org/en/usen Thanks to Andrea for triggering this. -- Bastien

If you guys want to give a hand with translation, the only file to update is this one: https://github.com/bzg/wlmmap/blob/master/src/wlmmap/i18n.clj Feel free to send me pull requests or informal updates via email. Even incompletes translations are useful! Thanks, -- Bastien

On 13/09/13 10:49, Bastien wrote: That's cool. You should preselect that country-lang in the combobox, though. It may also be interesting to preselect/center based on geolocation when a direct link wasn't provided.

Hi all, we have a new built in local solution for the map: http://wikilovesmonuments.hu/participate.php It is still in development stage (with many new ideas), every feedback or suggestion would be welcomed. Best, Samat

Hi Batien Many competitors in the UK find it difficult to follow the competition instructions to upload via the links on Wikipedia due to the fragmentary nature of the WP listed buildings pages. As a result, many are bypassing the WP link, which means their images cannot be automatically templated with the correct monument number. What would be really great - at least for the UK - would be to have an "upload another photo" link on the pop-up boxes generated by your tool, which goes straight to the WLM upload tool. That would enable the autofill to work in a very sealmess way, and would hugely reduce the amount of manual categorisation we need to do. Any chance of that? Michael On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:09, Bastien wrote:

Hi Bastien, This looks nice! Is it possible to somehow sort out the red markers, so that they are the only ones shown on the map? That would make it easier to identify where to go and take photos. Best, John Andersson WMSE Den 5 sep 2013 00:22 skrev "Bastien" &lt;bzg(a)altern.org&gt;rg>:

On 20/08/13 19:53, Bastien wrote: The first two bytes of the hex representation of the filename md5 (after space→underscore transformations). If the file is smaller than 320px width there may be no 320px thumbnail for you (it may be possible to have a html fallback to the full file in that case).

Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt; writes: Great, thanks for the detailed feedback, I *knew* I should have done my homework better :) I'll continue working on this tomorrow. Thanks! -- Bastien