Via facebook I learned about:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/news/eh-mobilise-volunteer-heritage...
a project to survey grade II listed buildings via crowd sourcing.
Is the english team in contact with them? I see connections with Wiki Loves Monuments at least, taking pictures is a first part of a survey, and if hey can be convinced to have those under a CC licence, would be very nice.
Regards,
Andre
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On 10 October 2013 23:38, Andre Koopal andre@molens.org wrote:
Via facebook I learned about:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/news/eh-mobilise-volunteer-heritage...
a project to survey grade II listed buildings via crowd sourcing.
Is the english team in contact with them? I see connections with Wiki Loves Monuments at least, taking pictures is a first part of a survey, and if hey can be convinced to have those under a CC licence, would be very nice.
Regards,
Andre
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Andy,
Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most counties/areas don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using the template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for current template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could include a request for the data & then the same semi automated development processes applied to creating the lists (would make it much easier if GII are included next year).
Also thinking ahead to next year should consideration be given to (Scheduled) Ancient Monuments, Registered Parks and Gardens, Battlefields, Wrecks etc for inclusion?
One other thought .. The Heritage at Risk list for 2013 came out yesterday (the call for photographers/surveyors was tacked on to it) I started updating some of the local heritage which appears on it, but found our categories for these use old terminology - anyone interested in participating the the discussion see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_O...
Rod
On 11.10.2013 11:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Forwarding to the UK list...
On 10 October 2013 23:38, Andre Koopal andre@molens.org wrote:
Via facebook I learned about:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/news/eh-mobilise-volunteer-heritage...
a project to survey grade II listed buildings via crowd sourcing.
Is the english team in contact with them? I see connections with Wiki Loves Monuments at least, taking pictures is a first part of a survey, and if hey can be convinced to have those under a CC licence, would be very nice.
Regards,
Andre
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Rod,
Op 11-10-2013 13:05, rodward schreef:
Andy,
Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most counties/areas don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using the template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for current template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could include a request for the data & then the same semi automated development processes applied to creating the lists (would make it much easier if GII are included next year).
I believe we have the data, just haven't imported it yet to Wikipedia because grade2 buildings weren't included in Wiki Loves Monuments this year. Now that Wiki Loves Monuments is over we could start importing the remaining lists to Wikipedia. If lists get to big you just have to split them up. This is how we did it in the Netherlands too. For example the city I'm from (Haarlem) has over 1100 Rijksmonumenten. In the centre of the city this is so dense that I ended up with several lists per street. All these individual lists are for Haarlem are connected through a navigation template so you don't get lost.
Maarten
Yes, we have all the grade II data for England and the corresponding data for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, too. However, getting that information onto Wikipedia in a usable format is not trivial are there are getting on for half a million building records.
Automated linkages between Wikipedia and the Monuments Database rely on each record being represented by a template in Wikipedia, and unfortunately MediaWiki limits the number of templates to no more than 130 or so (if my memory serves) per page. That means breaking the records up into such small lists that navigation becomes a nightmare. Even for the grade II* buildings we have some areas that have been split into separate pages of buildings based on name A-M and name N-Z. Such lists are totally hopeless for users who need to find a particular building and know neither the name it happens to have been give in the official listing nor even in which listing area it appears (these are based largely on obsolete county and other regional boundaries).
So, yes, it would be good to get these on, but some new approaches will be needed. Wikidata may well be able to help in the future (eg by providing a searchable Wiki database which is automatically linked with the various sources of official data).
Michael
On 12 Oct 2013, at 15:40, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Rod,
Op 11-10-2013 13:05, rodward schreef:
Andy,
Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most counties/areas don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using the template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for current template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could include a request for the data & then the same semi automated development processes applied to creating the lists (would make it much easier if GII are included next year).
I believe we have the data, just haven't imported it yet to Wikipedia because grade2 buildings weren't included in Wiki Loves Monuments this year. Now that Wiki Loves Monuments is over we could start importing the remaining lists to Wikipedia. If lists get to big you just have to split them up. This is how we did it in the Netherlands too. For example the city I'm from (Haarlem) has over 1100 Rijksmonumenten. In the centre of the city this is so dense that I ended up with several lists per street. All these individual lists are for Haarlem are connected through a navigation template so you don't get lost.
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Yes, we were aware of this in advance, but unfortunately the dates EH was working to could not be matched to the September run of the WLM competition.
I'm going to visit EH soon to talk about ongoing collaborations (and what we may do for next year), and will of course raise the licence issue.
Michael
On 10 Oct 2013, at 23:38, Andre Koopal wrote:
Via facebook I learned about:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/news/eh-mobilise-volunteer-heritage...
a project to survey grade II listed buildings via crowd sourcing.
Is the english team in contact with them? I see connections with Wiki Loves Monuments at least, taking pictures is a first part of a survey, and if hey can be convinced to have those under a CC licence, would be very nice.
Regards,
Andre
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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