Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving many photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but are not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is uploading them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a certain manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the purpose of the contest?
Thanks for your help! Neville
You can only enter people into a contest if they agree, but the contest does not require people to use a particular upload form.
I suggest you talk to the individual, give them the code they could copy into their descriptions and if you have volunteers available offer to add the template to the images they have uploaded that would qualify
Regards
WSC
On 6 Sep 2016, at 08:47, Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving many photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but are not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is uploading them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a certain manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the purpose of the contest?
Thanks for your help! Neville _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Neville Borg wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving many photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but are not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is uploading them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a certain manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the purpose of the contest?
Did you write on the rules for your national contest the photos must be uploaded with the wizard? Normally it shouldn't be the case (some people even use bots to upload their images). This particular user adds the relevant data for the contest? Meaning the monument identifier, the relevant categories, templates and such... if so, then the uploads should be eligible. If not, you can contact the uploader, inform about the mistakes and maybe offer a bit of help, is up to you.
Hi all,
As this relates probably, I think it might be clear to clarify this question from the perspective of the international jurying.
The method with which images are uploaded are to the international competition not a blocker - the question is whether they have the correct template (not the category!) on their pages. The template will also add the category automatically. Also, it is important that the monument is properly identified.
If people add this after upload, that is fine. But I would say they have to do it before the end of the competition.
You can't add the template for them without their explicit permission, because that would mean entering someone else into a competition they didn't sign up for. That would not be a Good Thing :)
Best, Lodewijk
2016-09-06 4:47 GMT-07:00 Nicu Buculei nicubunu@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Neville Borg wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving many photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but are not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is
uploading
them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a certain manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the
purpose
of the contest?
Did you write on the rules for your national contest the photos must be uploaded with the wizard? Normally it shouldn't be the case (some people even use bots to upload their images). This particular user adds the relevant data for the contest? Meaning the monument identifier, the relevant categories, templates and such... if so, then the uploads should be eligible. If not, you can contact the uploader, inform about the mistakes and maybe offer a bit of help, is up to you.
-- nicu
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Hi Neville,
One more thing to add to the earlier emails on this thread:
If I go to Malta's landing page at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016_in_Malt... the most prominent/eye-catching option in the page for me is the "Upload your photos" button. That's put before the 4 steps explaining how you want me to use that button. You may want to reorder the landing page so people first see the 4 steps. Also, in Step 4 you can emphasize again that people should go to the lists that you have linked in Step 1 and find the upload button corresponding to each monument to upload photos for that monument. This way, it becomes clearer to your audience that there is a preferred way for uploading photos.
You may also want to consider to replace the "Upload your photos" button with some other actionable button independent of whether you change the order with which you represent content in your page. For example, instead of that button linking to Upload Wizard, you can link it to first step people should take to get started (creating account, looking up the list of monuments close to them, etc.).
Best, Leila
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi all,
As this relates probably, I think it might be clear to clarify this question from the perspective of the international jurying.
The method with which images are uploaded are to the international competition not a blocker - the question is whether they have the correct template (not the category!) on their pages. The template will also add the category automatically. Also, it is important that the monument is properly identified.
If people add this after upload, that is fine. But I would say they have to do it before the end of the competition.
You can't add the template for them without their explicit permission, because that would mean entering someone else into a competition they didn't sign up for. That would not be a Good Thing :)
Best, Lodewijk
2016-09-06 4:47 GMT-07:00 Nicu Buculei nicubunu@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Neville Borg wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving
many
photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but
are
not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is
uploading
them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a
certain
manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the
purpose
of the contest?
Did you write on the rules for your national contest the photos must be uploaded with the wizard? Normally it shouldn't be the case (some people even use bots to upload their images). This particular user adds the relevant data for the contest? Meaning the monument identifier, the relevant categories, templates and such... if so, then the uploads should be eligible. If not, you can contact the uploader, inform about the mistakes and maybe offer a bit of help, is up to you.
-- nicu
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Hi all,
Thanks for your comments and feedback, we will look into the possibility of reconfiguring the landing page to make it more straightforward. Since only one person has uploaded outside of the upload wizard, we will reach out to this individual user to see if they need any guidance and if they wish to participate in the contest after all.
Best, Neville
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, 18:03 Lily, lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Neville,
One more thing to add to the earlier emails on this thread:
If I go to Malta's landing page at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016_in_Malt... the most prominent/eye-catching option in the page for me is the "Upload your photos" button. That's put before the 4 steps explaining how you want me to use that button. You may want to reorder the landing page so people first see the 4 steps. Also, in Step 4 you can emphasize again that people should go to the lists that you have linked in Step 1 and find the upload button corresponding to each monument to upload photos for that monument. This way, it becomes clearer to your audience that there is a preferred way for uploading photos.
You may also want to consider to replace the "Upload your photos" button with some other actionable button independent of whether you change the order with which you represent content in your page. For example, instead of that button linking to Upload Wizard, you can link it to first step people should take to get started (creating account, looking up the list of monuments close to them, etc.).
Best, Leila
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi all,
As this relates probably, I think it might be clear to clarify this question from the perspective of the international jurying.
The method with which images are uploaded are to the international competition not a blocker - the question is whether they have the correct template (not the category!) on their pages. The template will also add the category automatically. Also, it is important that the monument is properly identified.
If people add this after upload, that is fine. But I would say they have to do it before the end of the competition.
You can't add the template for them without their explicit permission, because that would mean entering someone else into a competition they didn't sign up for. That would not be a Good Thing :)
Best, Lodewijk
2016-09-06 4:47 GMT-07:00 Nicu Buculei nicubunu@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Neville Borg wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding eligibility of photos - we are receiving
many
photos (mostly from one user) for monuments that are on our list, but
are
not uploaded through the WLM wizard. I suspect that this user is
uploading
them to participate in WLM but is used to uploading pictures in a
certain
manner and is unwilling to deviate from this.
Are these photos still eligible, or are they to be ignored for the
purpose
of the contest?
Did you write on the rules for your national contest the photos must be uploaded with the wizard? Normally it shouldn't be the case (some people even use bots to upload their images). This particular user adds the relevant data for the contest? Meaning the monument identifier, the relevant categories, templates and such... if so, then the uploads should be eligible. If not, you can contact the uploader, inform about the mistakes and maybe offer a bit of help, is up to you.
-- nicu
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-- User: LilyOfTheWest _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
FWIW, in Spain we made our rules to say:
* The photos can be published using the [[Wiki Loves Monuments Upload Wizard]], designed to help in the participation on this contest.
* Those uploading their photos not using this wizard must indicate their participation manuall adding the code {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2016|xy}} to the image page.
Also, a similarly designed point is:
* It is the participant responsibility to ensure that the photos are tagged with a valid identifier… (ie. if they didn't put the right identifier but someone else did for them, that's ok, but they shall not rely on it)
Regards
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org