Hi everyone,
Some time ago I shared https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Unused_images . These are pages which contain images that could probably added to your lists on Wikipedia. I see that some countries are very active. Good job! For the other countries: Please help getting these images added to the lists.
All the images should be categorized at Commons. With about 10.000 images coming in each day that's not really possible for humans to keep up with. I improved the categorization bots we used the last two years and it now works on (almost) every country that has unique identifiers. This is documented at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization . Bots can only do so much so please take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization... to see how you can help out.
Maarten
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:09:56 +0200, Maarten Dammers wrote:
All the images should be categorized at Commons. With about 10.000 images coming in each day that's not really possible for humans to keep up with. I improved the categorization bots we used the last two years and it now works on (almost) every country that has unique identifiers. This is documented at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization . Bots can only do so much so please take a look at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization... to see how you can help out.
Maarten
What is currently the situation with Russia? From what I know there are no lists, and I am just categorizing images by hands [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Image...], doing roughly a hundred per day and creating missing categories. The organizers do not participate in any on-wiki discussions, and do not disclose any info on their plans, but at some point they declared they have perfect contact and understanding with the international team. Do you know whether there are any Russian lists somewhere (except for Commons and the last year lists on ru.wp) or are they going to be imminently created? If the work I am doing now is planned to be done by bot soon I would rather drop it and do smth more useful.
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Yaroslav,
Op 11-9-2012 23:19, Yaroslav M. Blanter schreef:
What is currently the situation with Russia? From what I know there are no lists, and I am just categorizing images by hands [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Image...], doing roughly a hundred per day and creating missing categories. The organizers do not participate in any on-wiki discussions, and do not disclose any info on their plans, but at some point they declared they have perfect contact and understanding with the international team. Do you know whether there are any Russian lists somewhere (except for Commons and the last year lists on ru.wp) or are they going to be imminently created? If the work I am doing now is planned to be done by bot soon I would rather drop it and do smth more useful.
First I would like to thank you for all your help already. I really appreciate that. As for Russia: I don't have a clue. Your guess is as good as mine. I hope someone more informed than me can reply.
Maarten
Hi Yaroslav, thanks for asking the questions, and for your amazing work done for Wiki Loves Monuments (in Russia) so far, it's greatly appreciated!
From what I know--and I daresay I know a little bit more about that
than Maarten due to my interest in Central and Eastern European countries--there are no lists of monuments in Russia from this year that were published on any of the Wikimedia projects.
The only lists I managed to find are linked from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Lists_of_European_Monuments/Russia, but they were created last year, are very well hidden and almost completely empty, except for the few regions. There /might/ be some lists on the Russian Wikipedia, but I cannot tell where as I am sadly not able to read any Cyrillic at all.
As for the local organisers, I can only confirm that they do not take part in any on-wiki discussion. Indeed, they are not active on this list, either, and I haven't heard from them for a very (very!) long time, even though I poked them many times in the past few weeks; my inbox tells me that the latest e-mail I received from them was on May 25, 2012.
I also haven't heard about any plans to have a bot take care of the uploads from Russia, so I guess you can continue doing your very useful work if you still have the will and time to do so.
Tomasz
Tomasz and Maarten, thanks for your reactions.
Let me provide another piece of the puzzle from my perspective. Until March, there was some on-wiki discussion concerning WLM-Russia, which I initiated. I was involved in the creation of the lists and there were a couple of other users working on Commons. There was very little help, or no help at all, from WLM-2011 Russian organizers, but at least they were aware of this on-wiki discussion, and did not object to the creation of the lists. At some point in January, they made an announcement that they are going to make a new database, but refused to answer how the database will be related to the existing lists, and where they are going to take the coordinates from. In March, I got very much concerned with the fact that only three lists out of 83 were ready, and nothing else was going on, so that I posted an announcement on Commons, opened a skype group which several people immediately joined, and started to discuss what else should be done to start the contest in time and properly. Anastasia Lvova, the WM-RU appointed coordinator, who was quiet half a year before that, reacted immediately, stating that she would not join the discussion as long as I am involved, and sending a lengthy message to this list explaining why I should not be involved. Obviously, I left the skype group immediately and announced that I do not want to interfere with the organization since I am apparently viewed as the main obstacle to the contest.
Since then, all on-wiki discussion stopped. I still have all WLM-Russia related pages on Commons (which I created earlier) on my watchlist, and they were never edited. I guess the discussions are being held off-wiki, but they never got out of the closed circles, and I do not even know who exactly the organizers are. The last I heard from the organizers (it was in March) was that only a number of regions will participate in the contest. (Now all regions participate). On August 31, the website was suddenly up, and apparently it is linked to the database the organizers wanted to create. This database contains some serious errors, and, in particular, the buildings which do not fall under freedom op panorama are still there (and several pictures of these copyrighted buildings are getting uploaded every day as a part of WLM and have to be nominated for deletion). The lists on Commons, which are currently (almost) complete on five regions, do contain indications which buildings are copyrighted, but these lists are not related to the website in any way, their creators quit, and I am the only one now maintaining them.
There is no on-wiki activity of the organizers at all. Some of the users who previously identified themselves as local organizers are active on Commons but are not doing any WLM-related work. Other users are inactive.
Now, I do not care so much who are the organizers, how they discuss, and what exactly they are doing. My only concern is that, since previously they never ever showed any respect to what was done by the others, that at some point they could suddenly do some weird things - for instance, create their own lists, which will be inferior to these on Commons, but still will be used in the production line, or will introduce their own categorization system incompatible with the existing one and then bot-recategorize everything, or smth else.
But there is probably nothing any of us can do about this. For the time being, I will just keep categorizing the incoming WLM photos from Russia, since they need to be categorized, and there is no way to do it other than manually. Most of WLM-2011 Russian photos remain uncategorized.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:43:40 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Yaroslav, thanks for asking the questions, and for your amazing work done for Wiki Loves Monuments (in Russia) so far, it's greatly appreciated!
From what I know--and I daresay I know a little bit more about that
than Maarten due to my interest in Central and Eastern European countries--there are no lists of monuments in Russia from this year that were published on any of the Wikimedia projects.
The only lists I managed to find are linked from
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Lists_of_European_Monuments/Russia, but they were created last year, are very well hidden and almost completely empty, except for the few regions. There /might/ be some lists on the Russian Wikipedia, but I cannot tell where as I am sadly not able to read any Cyrillic at all.
As for the local organisers, I can only confirm that they do not take part in any on-wiki discussion. Indeed, they are not active on this list, either, and I haven't heard from them for a very (very!) long time, even though I poked them many times in the past few weeks; my inbox tells me that the latest e-mail I received from them was on May 25, 2012.
I also haven't heard about any plans to have a bot take care of the uploads from Russia, so I guess you can continue doing your very useful work if you still have the will and time to do so.
Tomasz
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Maarten,
I noticed the PT template was "0"... does this help? https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AMonuments_database...
Best, -NT
Em 11-09-2012 22:09, Maarten Dammers escreveu:
Hi everyone,
Some time ago I shared https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Unused_images . These are pages which contain images that could probably added to your lists on Wikipedia. I see that some countries are very active. Good job! For the other countries: Please help getting these images added to the lists.
All the images should be categorized at Commons. With about 10.000 images coming in each day that's not really possible for humans to keep up with. I improved the categorization bots we used the last two years and it now works on (almost) every country that has unique identifiers. This is documented at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization . Bots can only do so much so please take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization... to see how you can help out.
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hello, worldwide volunteers of Wiki Loves Monuments,
Alan Walker, Vice President of Wikimedia Canada, gave an interview about the world’s largest photo competition, Wiki Loves Monuments. This is our first appearance in the Canadian media. Listen to the 66th minute of this audio file: http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/player.raw.html?id=9210
Best regards, Benoit Rochon Coordinator | Wikimedia Canada +1 514 271-2854 | brochon@wikimedia.ca
very nice! :)
2012/9/12 Benoit Rochon brochon@wikimedia.ca
Hello, worldwide volunteers of Wiki Loves Monuments,
Alan Walker, Vice President of Wikimedia Canada, gave an interview about the world’s largest photo competition, Wiki Loves Monuments. This is our first appearance in the Canadian media. Listen to the *66th minute* of this audio file: http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/player.raw.html?id=9210
Best regards, [image: Wikimedia Canada Website]http://wikimedia.ca/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&setlang=en *Benoit Rochon* Coordinator | Wikimedia Canadahttp://wikimedia.ca/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&setlang=en +1 514 271-2854 | brochon@wikimedia.ca [image: Wikipedia User Page]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benoit_Rochon [image: Facebook Page] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaCA [image: Twitter Page] https://twitter.com/WikimediaCA
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2012/9/11 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl:
Hi everyone,
Some time ago I shared https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Unused_images . These are pages which contain images that could probably added to your lists on Wikipedia. I see that some countries are very active. Good job! For the other countries: Please help getting these images added to the lists.
All the images should be categorized at Commons. With about 10.000 images coming in each day that's not really possible for humans to keep up with. I improved the categorization bots we used the last two years and it now works on (almost) every country that has unique identifiers. This is documented at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization . Bots can only do so much so please take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Categorization... to see how you can help out.
Hi Maarten,
I'm asking people to create "Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Italy" as you explained me a couple of days ago, but I didn't understand what I have to do to "create links from the lists to categories in Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Italy". May you clarify?
Cristian
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:14:56 +0200, Cristian Consonni wrote:
Hi Maarten,
I'm asking people to create "Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Italy" as you explained me a couple of days ago, but I didn't understand what I have to do to "create links from the lists to categories in Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Italy". May you clarify?
Cristian
Hi Cristian,
just this: http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012...
(plus other regions, since each of the Italian lists contains multiple regions)
Cheers Yaroslav
2012/9/12 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
just this: http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012...
(plus other regions, since each of the Italian lists contains multiple regions)
Hi everybody,
wit the help of User:Ermanon which has created all the relevan subcategories[0], I have put them in the list pages[1][2][3][4]. Please note that I used the template {{Interprogetto}}[5] since the template {{commonscat}}[6] is deprecated in it.wiki.
What should I do next?
Cristian
[0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ANewPages&names... [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012... [2] http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012... [3] http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012... [4] http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012... [5] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Interprogetto [6] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Commonscat
2012/9/15 Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com:
wit the help of User:Ermanon which has created all the relevan subcategories[0], I have put them in the list pages[1][2][3][4]. Please note that I used the template {{Interprogetto}}[5] since the template {{commonscat}}[6] is deprecated in it.wiki.
Some help about this?
Cristian
Op 18-9-2012 0:30, Cristian Consonni schreef:
2012/9/15 Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com:
wit the help of User:Ermanon which has created all the relevan subcategories[0], I have put them in the list pages[1][2][3][4]. Please note that I used the template {{Interprogetto}}[5] since the template {{commonscat}}[6] is deprecated in it.wiki.
Some help about this?
The it.wp community shot itself in the foot with this some time ago. All the standard tools to add and correct Commonscat template won't work in Italian. I don't expect a solution for that anytime soon. I'm afraid you guys have to sort out the images by hand.
Maarten
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