[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re : Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.

1 Aug 2011

      Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution.
Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there.
Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly...
But it's another debate...

Florian Farge aka Otourly
Sur lesprojets wikimédiens et l'Association française,sur OxyRadio, OSM, et sur MOVIM
Socio di Wikimedia Italia
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De : Kilian Kluge kilian@k-kluge.de
À : Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Envoyé le : Lundi 1 Août 2011 13h29
Objet : Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria.
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Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?)
Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there,
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Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1,
like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each
    category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
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K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
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Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite...
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Greets
Alex
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas,
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I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
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{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200
> From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves
Monuments] Identification structure on
                                  Commons, a must have before 1
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> we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours!
> Thanks for advice!
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> greetings
> Hubertl
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> Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
> > Bas,
> > Thanks so much for your
mail - suddenly the whole template
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> > much clearer for me! I
need to gather all of these
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> > because I would like to
set up a template structure on the
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> > wikipedia like the one for
Template:Rijksmonument. I added the
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> > your mail to the project
page here:
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> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
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> > Hubert, I noticed your
template has a reeeeeeally long
                                    name. Of course I
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> > hope that the user won't
need to type that in by hand, but is
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> > way to shorten it up a
bit? I want to make a similar
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> > Austrian monuments on the
English wikipedia, and I noticed
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numbers (in Romania, it's called an
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> > Jane
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> > 2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
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> > Austria will have this too
until September!
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> > greetings Hubertl
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> > Am 30.07.2011 19:02,
schrieb Bas vb:
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> > > Hello everybody,
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> > > Last year we had very
much benefits from a good and proper
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> > > commons, important
was that we could tag the pictures
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> > > Currently there are 7
countries/areas which have this
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> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_...)
> > > - Andorra
> > > - Flanders (Belgium)
> > > - Estonia
> > > - Netherlands
> > > - Romania
> > > - Spain
> > > - Wallonia (Belgium)
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> > > The idea is to set up
a similar structure for all
                                    participating areas
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(whenever possible).
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> > > Together with
structured tables on the local wiki
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> > > as a field) this will
provide an easy way to add missing
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> > > well it's one of the
requirements that pictures have an
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> > > I think it's the best
idea when the other countries, which
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> > > similar structure yet
contact me (I'm away from 4-13
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> > > the persons who has
allready set up a similar structure.
                                    You can
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> > > on IRC (name "basvb"
if I'm not in the
                                    Wikilovesmonumentschannel
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> > I'm in
> > > #wikipedia-nl), on my
commons or preferably my nlwiki
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> > > Mvg,
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> > > Bas
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[Wiki Loves Monuments] Re : Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.

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