I think it is not possible to get good feedback from the public when you provide them a to
big list, nobody is going to watch all the pictures, and I also don't think somebody
is going to watch a random part. If you want to get the public involved, maybe the best
Idea is to let a jury pick the top 20-50 and let the public vote on those 50 to decide on
the order. Or you can make a preselection of around 500 pictures, where people can pick
the best, and then you send a list of 50 to the jury. But I think it will be hard to get
people from the public to watch lots of pictures, so you will maybe get a lot of pictures
with 1 or 2 votes (maybe even the photographer voting on his own best view.
I believe the Russians provided a list of around 100 pictures you could vote on. Then they
had 10 different prices, with one of them being the publics nr. 1. but I'm not sure,
somebody should confirm.
Mvg,
Bas
From: mroth(a)wikimedia.org
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:39:51 -0700
To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Community voting and jury process.
Hi all,Per Lodewijk's suggestion, I'm bringing this to the larger list.
WLM-US organizers have been discussing the value of setting up a community voting process
on-wiki for the initial selection of the top 500 or so photos in the WLM-US pool, which we
will then send to the judges (though we're thinking it would be wise to have the
judges also surface photos they like that don't make the top 500). Can anyone on this
list (particularly Russian organizers) give us feedback on what works well and what does
not work well?
Did you reach out to Commons contributors who had helped with any of the Featured Picture
selection or Picture of the Year voting for feedback? A few of those people we've
identified live in the U.S., so we're going to reach out to the relevant individuals.
We've also been discussing how to incorporate the WikiProject on English WP that deals
with our monuments (WP:NRHP) to try to get help from them. We're thinking of it as a
group of ambassadors or captains who can help us alleviate some of the challenge for the
jury of sorting thousands of photos.
Any feedback would be very welcome.
thanks,
Matthew
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Jury process in the US
To: Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>
Cc: Matthew Roth <mroth(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Katie Filbert <aude.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>,
"Richard (User:Pharos)" <pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com>om>, Peter Ekman
<pdekman(a)gmail.com>om>, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>rg>, Sarah Stierch
<sstierch(a)wikimedia.org>
What about discussing this particular issue on the international mailing list? I know at
least Russia has some experience with a community WLM vote - and I know India is bumping
into the same problems as the US here.
Lodewijk
2012/7/28 Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>
Hi Matthew,
Op 28-7-2012 20:43, Matthew Roth schreef:
Hi Maarten and Lodewijk,
In discussions with Wikimedia DC and other WLM-US organizers, I think we're going to
try to set up a voting mechanism on-wiki so that Commons users can help us select the top
500 photos in the WLM-US pool, which we will then send to the judges (though the judges
can also surface photos that don't make the top 500). We're also talking about
having contestants have the option to nominate their own favorite photos to help highlight
their own photos for the voting. Pharos brought up a question about being able to put a
nomination button in the Uploader so that it automatically tagged the photos with a
particular category if the uploader chooses to nominate particular photos of theirs. Do
you think that could be easily done from a technical stance? Also curious to hear your
thoughts in general about the plan.
I'm very happy to see things are starting to move in the US. Adding bells and whistles
to the upload process would go against one of the core principles
(
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy) of WLM: Make
it easy, so I'm not in favour of that. The jury process shouldn't cost the
organization too much work and it shouldn't bother the (new) uploaders. I'm not
sure how this will work, I don't have any experience with this model.
Maarten
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