Hello Lodewijk,
I want to thank you for this statement, I think it's really important that you give the signal that it may be the time to take the time to think about the future of WLM in other words than just "how we do it again".
In Switzerland I've been really critical about WLM the last two years, but I have always spent hours for this contest and I will continue to do so it in the future, but I think it's really good if we relax a little bit and try to get the big picture.
My main critic was that to have a successful contest on ALL aspect, you need a full team of people ready to take care of all aspects of the organization. Having this team do not mean that everything will be easy, there are always challenge, and these challenges are also part of the Fun when it's about something you like. If you do not have this team, you may have a successful contest on the number of participant aspect, number of pictures, but is it successful in term oh happiness of the organizing team?
For example in 2011 I've been the one who prepare the calendar with the winning pictures, it cost me hours of work, sleepless night because our printer was so professional that he return me the file always saying "here the line is 0.5 mm to low" , it was hard but it's a really good moment, because I'm proud of the results.
These year I try to help to have the list in french in Italian, I spent hours on that, I receive no answer when I was lost, I receive only "instructions" about how to do the things. No pleasure, no proudness and even worth, no results.
I'm not angry, I just want to make the point that it's not the difficulty of the task that matters, it's the willingness of a volunteer to accomplish it and the personal satisfaction he can have.
I'm personally tired of hearing "you should motivate volunteers", who on earth will ask on wikipedia to a mediawiki specialist to wrote an article on an extinct plant species??? Why should it be different in Chapters? People join the chapters for several reason, they have only one common interest "free knowledge".
Bottom Line I think it's really good if individual or chapter are innovative, it's even better when the acquired knowledge can be transferred to another individual or chapter who want to replicate it , but I'm really not convince about the necessity of the International contest, about the institutionalization of the contest, all this aspect decreased the freedom of action of each chapter or individual.
I want to say that WLM is awesome, it's the counterpart of Wikipedia, nobody was thinking that's possible, but it happens, but like for Wikipedia, it's not because it happens once that it can happen another time.
Charles
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Le 26 sept. 2013 à 15:37, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org a écrit :
As I also indicated elsewhere, I have my doubts about some of these conclusions. Yes, there's enthusiasm for many different initiatives (the session at Wikimania had a focus on improving the concept and surfacing innovation), but we should reconsider the picture as a whole. I'm not convinced that we should continue with Wiki Loves Monuments should be repeated in 2014, but that it would perhaps be good to pause it for one or two years, at the benefit of Wiki Loves Earth.
I think that we should have a more in-depth discussion after Wiki Loves Monuments has finished (end of October), about what the path for the next year should be. I personally think that we can only run one major competition on a large scale internationally at a time - and perhaps a few tryouts parallel to it in individual countries. Also, I think it would be wise to reconsider exchanging Wiki Loves Public Art for the internationally more realistic Wiki Loves Art (using museums and their contents rather than things on the streets).
In any case, thanks for publishing the notes, lets be careful with extrapolation enthusiasm into big picture results.
Lodewijk
2013/9/25 Ganesh Paudel gpaudel@gmail.com Hi Beat and all, Conducting Wiki Loves Earth and Wiki Loves Public Art are good to start.
We have many media in the commons especially photographs unused in any project. Wiki-RIC concept is to have a photo campaign for meaningful use. That's why it is considered important and rated highest in the conference. Let's think this aspect of Wiki RIC positively.
Best,
Ganesh K. Paudel
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch wrote: Dear all,
Today, I have transferred the documentation of the Wiki Loves Monuments Future Workshop (Wikimania 2013, Hong Kong) to the WLM portal:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/WLM_Fut...
Given the results of the workshop and the feedbacks received from the participants so far, it seems that we are heading for three international photo contests next year:
Wiki Loves MonumentsWiki Loves EarthWiki Loves Public ArtThere was also a fourth proposal, “WikiRIC – Requested Image Competition” that was very highly rated by the workshop participants. – I think it would be great to see also a pilot project implementing this idea during next year. To my knowledge, no project group has formed yet. Those who signaled their interest are therefore warmly invited to coordinate the formation of a project team! (let me know if you need the contacts of the people that were interested to help implementing this approach!)
Suggestions for the next steps:
I think it would be great if for each contest a core group for 2014 would form that:
sets up an international project page for 2014, so interested countries can sign upsets up a mailing list for the coordination of the contest (in case this hasn’t happened yet)follows up on the evaluation of this year’s contests and starts working on the improvements for next year (some improvements might concern the institutional setup, so it would be wise to start early)Furthermore, I would suggest, that the coordinators of the three thematic contests get together (online), to discuss:
when which contest is going to take place in 2014 (this year we had an overlap between WLPA and WLE, which is probably not ideal)how to tackle the technical issues in 2014 (there are many potential synergies, and there is also a lot of room for improvement)Kind regards,
Beat
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