I want to thank you for this statement, I think it's really important that you give
the signal that it may be the time to take the time to think about the future of WLM in
other words than just "how we do it again".
In Switzerland I've been really critical about WLM the last two years, but I have
always spent hours for this contest and I will continue to do so it in the future, but I
think it's really good if we relax a little bit and try to get the big picture.
My main critic was that to have a successful contest on ALL aspect, you need a full team
of people ready to take care of all aspects of the organization. Having this team do not
mean that everything will be easy, there are always challenge, and these challenges are
also part of the Fun when it's about something you like. If you do not have this
team, you may have a successful contest on the number of participant aspect, number of
pictures, but is it successful in term oh happiness of the organizing team?
For example in 2011 I've been the one who prepare the calendar with the winning
pictures, it cost me hours of work, sleepless night because our printer was so
professional that he return me the file always saying "here the line is 0.5 mm to
low" , it was hard but it's a really good moment, because I'm proud of the
These year I try to help to have the list in french in Italian, I spent hours on that, I
receive no answer when I was lost, I receive only "instructions" about how to do
the things. No pleasure, no proudness and even worth, no results.
I'm not angry, I just want to make the point that it's not the difficulty of the
task that matters, it's the willingness of a volunteer to accomplish it and the
personal satisfaction he can have.
I'm personally tired of hearing "you should motivate volunteers", who on
earth will ask on wikipedia to a mediawiki specialist to wrote an article on an extinct
plant species??? Why should it be different in Chapters? People join the chapters for
several reason, they have only one common interest "free knowledge".
Bottom Line I think it's really good if individual or chapter are innovative, it's
even better when the acquired knowledge can be transferred to another individual or
chapter who want to replicate it , but I'm really not convince about the necessity of
the International contest, about the institutionalization of the contest, all this aspect
decreased the freedom of action of each chapter or individual.
I want to say that WLM is awesome, it's the counterpart of Wikipedia, nobody was
thinking that's possible, but it happens, but like for Wikipedia, it's not because
it happens once that it can happen another time.
I use this email for mailing list only.
Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
"Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
Le 26 sept. 2013 à 15:37, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> a écrit :
As I also indicated elsewhere, I have my doubts about
some of these conclusions. Yes, there's enthusiasm for many different initiatives (the
session at Wikimania had a focus on improving the concept and surfacing innovation), but
we should reconsider the picture as a whole. I'm not convinced that we should continue
with Wiki Loves Monuments should be repeated in 2014, but that it would perhaps be good to
pause it for one or two years, at the benefit of Wiki Loves Earth.
I think that we should have a more in-depth discussion after Wiki Loves Monuments has
finished (end of October), about what the path for the next year should be. I personally
think that we can only run one major competition on a large scale internationally at a
time - and perhaps a few tryouts parallel to it in individual countries. Also, I think it
would be wise to reconsider exchanging Wiki Loves Public Art for the internationally more
realistic Wiki Loves Art (using museums and their contents rather than things on the
In any case, thanks for publishing the notes, lets be careful with extrapolation
enthusiasm into big picture results.
2013/9/25 Ganesh Paudel <gpaudel(a)gmail.com>
Hi Beat and all,
Conducting Wiki Loves Earth and Wiki Loves Public Art are good to start.
We have many media in the commons especially photographs unused in any project.
Wiki-RIC concept is to have a photo campaign for meaningful use. That's why it is
considered important and rated highest in the conference.
Let's think this aspect of Wiki RIC positively.
Ganesh K. Paudel
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann(a)bfh.ch> wrote:
Today, I have transferred the documentation of the Wiki Loves Monuments Future Workshop
(Wikimania 2013, Hong Kong) to the WLM portal:
Given the results of the workshop and the feedbacks received from the participants so
far, it seems that we are heading for three international photo contests next year:
- Wiki Loves Monuments
- Wiki Loves Earth
- Wiki Loves Public Art
There was also a fourth proposal, “WikiRIC – Requested Image Competition” that was very
highly rated by the workshop participants. – I think it would be great to see also a pilot
project implementing this idea during next year. To my knowledge, no project group has
formed yet. Those who signaled their interest are therefore warmly invited to coordinate
the formation of a project team! (let me know if you need the contacts of the people that
were interested to help implementing this approach!)
Suggestions for the next steps:
I think it would be great if for each contest a core group for 2014 would form that:
- sets up an international project page for 2014, so interested countries can sign
- sets up a mailing list for the coordination of the contest (in case this hasn’t
- follows up on the evaluation of this year’s contests and starts working on the
improvements for next year (some improvements might concern the institutional setup, so it
would be wise to start early)
Furthermore, I would suggest, that the coordinators of the three thematic contests get
together (online), to discuss:
- when which contest is going to take place in 2014 (this year we had an overlap
between WLPA and WLE, which is probably not ideal)
- how to tackle the technical issues in 2014 (there are many potential synergies,
and there is also a lot of room for improvement)
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