Thanks for the replies!
Maybe what we need to do here is brush up our English. In my reality, living in the Netherlands, a "Rijksmonument" is a concept of a building that has a certain stamp-of-approval from the Dutch government. This building is so important to the cultural heritage of the country, that they put a blue-and-white label on it (and a brown label on it, and a white label on it,.. OK I won't bore you with more details).
I could call this building a "National Heritage Site" using the English term as it is used in the US, or I could call it a "Listed building" as that term is used in the UK, but what I really want to call it is a "Rijksmonument", since that is what the Dutch government and the Dutch tourist offices call it. Using the Dutch term makes it clear also for people interested in heritage. I vote to use the Dutch term, and guess what? That is also what is used on Commons. It may not be strictly English, but it is the internationally correct term to use, as it is defined in the Netherlands. Therefore, I vote to call this an English term!! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten Ergo, let's do this for all countries (yes even for those cyrillic users!)
Jane
2011/8/1 Otourly Wiki otourly@yahoo.fr
Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution. Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there. Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly... But it's another debate...
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As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria. Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24
Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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