HI Elke
What happened with the discussion with WMF about the mobile app? Could you give us all some feedback?
Thanks so much! Isla
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From: Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Reply-To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:33:08 +0200 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it, Tanner Methvin tannerm@intekom.co.za, maarten deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com, Lourie Pieterse louriepieterse@yahoo.com, Francis Awinda francisa@africacentre.net Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Hi all,
I think a mobile tool will be helpful, but being realistically it seems that the WMF is not willing to invest enough in it to make it *really* useful.
That being said, I think that if anything gets developed, it should be generic enough to quickly adapt for other events and contests. Therefore we should focus on things that are common in most photo contests for Wikimedia.
Obvious would of course be base functionality: * Be able to select the contest (or have it preselected), including country! * Be able to log in to Commons * Upload images (and release etc) * Identify what is on them (which requires access to the list infrastructure/database
There are a few more things that would be helpful: * Have two modes - on the spot and at home. On the spot you could use geo locate to suggest what the objects would be. * Report a problem (any problem) * If not available: add geocoordinates from the phone * Show objects in the area
I guess the basic functionalities are stretching it, and my other things even harder. I have read some really specific WLM suggestions (such as suggesting a new monument to the government) - I don't think we should go there because it won't scale across countries, it won't scale at all to other contests. It would be nice for sure, but the cost/benefit would be too high probably. The more generic and adaptable it can be, the better.
Lodewijk
El 12 de abril de 2012 10:16, Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net escribió:
Hi All
I¹m really glad you have started up this conversation, the South African WLM team were just discussing it yesterday! Smart phone penetration in South Africa is very high and it would be an essential tool for both WLM, in the immediate future, and WM Commons in the long term. It is an invaluable tool and should be built properly so that it works for android, blackberry (very popular in Africa) and iphone but then, I am not sure what the WM dev processes are.
From the African context, we expect that the WLM photo competition with be the first time that many people will be contributing to Wikipedia. With this in mind, this is the kind of functionality that would be 1st prize:
- drop down selection of country (or that the app would recognise which
country you are in and automatically point¹ to the right list)
- simple registration to the competition and wikipedia at the same time
(name, username, email, cellphone, language)
- ability to locate and link the photo/video to the heritage site they want to
photo (they don¹t have to see what others have uploaded)
- ability to nominate¹ a heritage site that is not on the list (due to SA¹s
complex history, monuments are very colonial¹ and many people have very different ideas of what should be labelled a heritage site or monument)
- geolocation (some of our monuments/heritage sites haven¹t yet been
geolocated)
- and joining the world of social media, the ability to seamlessly share each
photo across all social media platforms facebook, twitter, foursquare and others to get maximum buzz and interest in the competition.
Other nice to have¹s¹ would be:
- the ability to pull the photos in from such platforms as instagram, viddy,
foursquare, etc. (are they allowed to doctor¹ the photo?)
- to upload multiple photos such as many angles of a building or statue at
once.
- simple photography suggestions/tutorial (minimum sizes, framing, etc. into
account) so we can get the best possible quality
- a call for people to contribute text about the heritage site that they have
just uploaded.
Not being a developer, I am not sure how difficult these things are to achieve. Is it possible?
Warmest Isla
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From: Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se http://jan.ainali@wikimedia.se > Reply-To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org http://wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:37:15 +0200 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org http://wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1] Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv would be nice.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com http://rupert.thurner@gmail.com >
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya <ew_wp@web.de http://ew_wp@web.de > wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume... nts
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
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