Hi Illia,
thanks for letting us know. I understand the constraints you must be
dealing with, and I wish we could have announced this earlier (not limited
to your situation - this is desirable for other reasons too). Please know
that it was not our intention to announce it last minute, but that we
realized too late that time was running out for this in the way I
explained. Hopefully we can indeed better meet the timeliness expectations
going forward.
Lodewijk
On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 1:04 PM Ilya Korniyko <intracer(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
WLM Ukraine's organizing team is interested in this discussion, but
it's difficult to find time for it on such a short notice -- because of the
armed conflict most Ukrainian Wikimedians have to simultaneously fit into
their agendas their main work, Wikimedia volunteering and activities we
have to do because of the war. For example, I have an emergency casualty
care training this Sunday, and another team member cannot join because she
goes to a training area for drills on the same day.
We ask that you take these circumstances into consideration and notify
us in advance in the future.
Regards,
Illia
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:23 AM effe iets anders <
effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> (with apologies for the delay in sending this announcement)
>
> This email discusses a sensitive topic of armed conflict, and may
> contain triggers for some of our community members. While we appreciate
> your input, please prioritize your own mental wellbeing and don't feel
> obligated to respond or participate. I have tried to frame this as
> sensitively as possible, but welcome constructive suggestions on how to do
> this better off-list.
>
> Summary: On Sunday 21 January (08:00 PST, 16:00 UTC), the
> international team of Wiki Loves Monuments will organize an office
> hour/community conversation on: How should an international federated photo
> competition like WLM handle national teams, international finalists and
> communication in the case of geopolitical armed conflict. We will announce
> the link later, and you can register here:
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2023/Office…
>
>
> Topic: In the past years, our communities have been confronted with
> the question how to deal with a number of geopolitical armed conflicts.
> This question came up in the past years in a few different ways: whether
> photos of heritage from certain countries should be allowed to be
> represented or compete in international competitions like Wiki Loves
> Monuments, whether and how photos of heritage in disputed areas can
> participate (especially when that dispute becomes an armed conflict) and
> there are probably more ways ahead that various armed conflicts can make an
> international competition and communication about the competition complex.
> There is no question whether human and cultural destruction is desirable,
> and every war is likely one too many.
>
> Why now: It is particularly hard to discuss these sensitive topics
> when they are current: it is a painful conversation for everyone to have,
> especially because the people who are living through the real-life
> consequences are given an additional burden of engaging in these
> discussions, under the pressure of time.
>
> For this reason I believe it would be helpful to discuss this topic
> without focusing on a specific conflict - but rather to discuss principles.
> How would we, generally speaking, international competitions such as Wiki
> Loves Monuments like to be influenced by armed conflict? Are there
> guidelines that they could maintain? At this point, we don't know who the
> winners of Wiki Loves Monuments are, and we can still have an abstract
> conversation. I don't expect this conversation to conclude right away, but
> hope that we can continue it in a few months after the dust of the winning
> images has settled.
>
> While this is already very soon, we have settled on Sunday 21 January,
> 16:00 UTC to avoid getting too close to the announcement of international
> winners.
>
> Framing: Some questions that come to mind as useful conversation
> starters would include:
>
> * Under what conditions could or should a national team be
> disqualified from participating in an international federated activity such
> as WLM?
>
> * If yes, who should make the decision whether to disqualify, and
> using what criteria? Who should they consult?
>
> * Under what conditions could or should the national submissions be
> disqualified, if a national competition already has taken place?
>
> * Should the international team make efforts to not appear to support
> an armed conflict when communicating about the competition, or even
> previous events? What are some guidelines that they could follow?
>
> I would invite others to contribute in framing a constructive
> conversation (publicly or privately - when in doubt, just email me
> privately).
>
> Conversation timeline: We want this to be the start of a constructive
> community conversation with national organizers, international organizers
> and other community members who feel they can constructively contribute. We
> welcome contributions from organizers of other similar international
> competitions/activities. The conversation will be in English but if there
> is sufficient interest, we can see if we can organize translation resources
> in future conversations. You can sign up here:
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2023/Office…
> . Please do sign up, in case we have to share the link privately.
>
> As mentioned, I don't expect this conversation to be "one and done".
> It's a first step, and I expect to follow up with a next conversation in a
> few months, and again around Wikimania - if there is sufficient interest.
>
> I will guide this conversation as a former WLM international team
> member and a current advisor.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Lodewijk
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