Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed "Wikipedia for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was "WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
*) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****) http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder ******) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober
And here is Sanne wearing pink badges -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9P...
And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink balloons -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
If so, *facepalm*
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed "Wikipedia for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was "WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
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You never know with allergies - it could be a recent development :-)
More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy, little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
-Ole
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:
And here is Sanne wearing pink badges --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9P...
And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink balloons -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
If so, *facepalm*
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed "Wikipedia
for
kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was "WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular
down is
a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on
ordinary
days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk
about
pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
*) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****)
http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder
******)
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober
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From: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder in the info on WikiWednesday, part of what is done is:
"Sladre om de andre brugere"
Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)))))
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
You never know with allergies - it could be a recent development :-)
More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy, little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
-Ole
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
And here is Sanne wearing pink badges --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9P...
And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink balloons -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
If so, *facepalm*
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed "Wikipedia for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was "WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
*) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****) http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder ******) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober
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While I personally don't mind the color pink, I have to say that the hot pink globe logo makes me cry a little inside.
Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:
From: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder in the info on WikiWednesday, part of what is done is:
"Sladre om de andre brugere"
Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)))))
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
You never know with allergies - it could be a recent development :-)
More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy, little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
-Ole
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
And here is Sanne wearing pink badges --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9P...
And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink balloons -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
If so, *facepalm*
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed
"Wikipedia
for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was
"WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It appears, however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
*) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****) http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder ******) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober
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In the US we call it "pink washing."
It does attract some women. And then there are others who absolutely turned off by it.
I'll let you guess what category I fall into ;)
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
While I personally don't mind the color pink, I have to say that the hot pink globe logo makes me cry a little inside.
Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:
From: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder in the info on WikiWednesday, part of what is done is:
"Sladre om de andre brugere"
Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)))))
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
You never know with allergies - it could be a recent development :-)
More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy, little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
-Ole
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com
wrote:
And here is Sanne wearing pink badges --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513156755/in/photolist-4Q5zWT-4Q9P...
And here is Sanne standing directly next to some big arsed pink balloons --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7405752@N06/2513983346/in/photolist-4Q9PEs
I am guessing that she isn't the one with the problem with pink?
If so, *facepalm*
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen ole@palnatoke.org wrote:
Yesterday, stand up comedienne Sanne Søndergaard* ** noticed
"Wikipedia
for kvinder"***, dawiki's portal for women, and her reaction was
"WTF?"****
The discussion on Facebook has had its ups and downs. One particular down is a lot of name-calling amongst the women in the discussion. It
appears,
however, that some people are allergic to pink, and that some people find the text condescending and patronising.
The kerfluffle has caused quite a lot of views on the portal - on ordinary days, it has ~20-30 hits; yesterday 5159. *****
Oh, and at WikiWednesday the day after tomorrow, we'll probably talk about pinkness and stuff.******
Regards, Ole
*) http://solosanne.dk/ **) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanne_S%C3%B8ndergaard ***) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_for_kvinder ****) https://www.facebook.com/SanneSonder/posts/609718455741119 *****) http://stats.grok.se/da/latest90/Wikipedia:Wikipedia%20for%20kvinder ******) https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWednesday/2013#Oktober
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In the US we call it "pink washing."
It does attract some women. And then there are others who absolutely turned off by it.
I'll let you guess what category I fall into ;)
I wonder if this might have—or might be defended as—something to do with Breast Cancer Awareness Month: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Breast_Cancer_Awareness_Month
Granted, that “National” means it’s largely (for now) a U.S.-specific thing. Starting tomorrow, over here, that color will be everywhere (and perhaps, to be fair, in Canada as well): ribbons on downtown lampposts, the lights of the Empire State Building, and the shoes worn by NFL players (and yes, there is some similar criticism of it; see the article).
I suppose it could be salvaged that way, if someone wants to introduce the concept to Denmark and, by extension, Scandinavia, if it hasn’t been already.
Daniel Case
"Sladre om de andre brugere"
Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)))))
For those of you too afraid to try it at home, Google Translate rendered this as "Gossip about other editors." (Or something to that effect).
Then again, does the Danish word "Sladre" have the negative connotations that both that translation and its apparent similarity to "slander" would suggest? We may be missing something here.
Daniel Case
Oh yes, "sladre" is gossiping, and it is something done by airheads and women (stereotypically speaking). In other contexts, it also means telling on someone.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Sladre om de andre brugere"
Bwahahahahaha, if that's not reinforcing stereotypes, what is? :)))))
For those of you too afraid to try it at home, Google Translate rendered this as "Gossip about other editors." (Or something to that effect).
Then again, does the Danish word "Sladre" have the negative connotations that both that translation and its apparent similarity to "slander" would suggest? We may be missing something here.
Daniel Case
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On 09/30/2013 07:28 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote:
More seriously: I guess pink is given the connotations of cutesy, little-girl-donesn't-know-a-thing and such.
I agree that's the case on that page. Little known historical aside though, pink used to be thought masculine:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/magazine/24princess.t.html?pagewanted=all
Easier, that is, unless you want to buy your daughter something that isn’t pink. Girls’ obsession with that color may seem like something they’re born with, like the ability to breathe or talk on the phone for hours on end. But according to Jo Paoletti, an associate professor of American studies at the University of Maryland, it ain’t so. When colors were first introduced to the nursery in the early part of the 20th century, pink was considered the more masculine hue, a pastel version of red. Blue, with its intimations of the Virgin Mary, constancy and faithfulness, was thought to be dainty. Why or when that switched is not clear, but as late as the 1930s a significant percentage of adults in one national survey held to that split. Perhaps that’s why so many early Disney heroines — Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Wendy, Alice-in-Wonderland — are swathed in varying shades of azure. (Purple, incidentally, may be the next color to swap teams: once the realm of kings and N.F.L. players, it is fast becoming the bolder girl’s version of pink.)