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Sexualized environment on Commons
by Ryan Kaldari 09 Aug '14

09 Aug '14

If anyone ever needs a good example of the locker-room environment on Wikimedia Commons, I just came across this old deletion discussion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Radio_but… The last two keep votes are especially interesting. One need look no farther than the current Main Page talk page for more of the same (search for "premature ejaculation"). Kaldari

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Feedback appreciated
by LB 31 Jul '14

31 Jul '14

I would appreciate some feedback on this discussion, please, especially from others who have been stalked in real life, harassed online, or Wikihounded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemi… Thanks. Lightbreather

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Invitation: Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7
by Pine W 30 Jul '14

30 Jul '14

The Wikimedia Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7 takes place parallel to the general Wikimania Hackathon in London. Wikimania Hackathon information is available at https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon Research Hackathon information is available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Labs2/Hackathons/August_6-7th,_2014 >From the Research Hackathon info page: this "is an opportunity for anyone interested in research on wikis, Wikipedia, and other open collaborations to meet, share ideas, and work together. It's being organized by researchers in academia and the Wikimedia Foundation, but we want anyone interested in research to participate. Whether or not you consider yourself a researcher, or would ever want to be one, come with questions, answers, data, code, crazy ideas... or just your insatiable curiosity." Local participation will occur at Wikimania London and in Philadelphia, PA, US. Remote participation is possible and will include researchers and community members globally. Please see the Research Hackathon information page for scheduling and sign-up details. Further questions may be directed to Aaron Halfaker (ahalfaker(a)wikimedia.org) or Leila Zia (leila(a)wikimedia.org).* Pine *A $1 fine will be imposed by Oliver Keyes on anyone who misspells Leila's name or misdirects emails to the WMF Executive Director.

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c*nt talk
by Kathleen McCook 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

These words do cause concern..this is an interesting essay on Bill Maher's use of the word...and the author ends by stating: Someone as clever as Maher, who writes and talks for a living, also probably has other words in his vocabulary that he could use, if he needs to express his contempt for Sarah Palin—words that aren't inherently misogynistic, words that don't demean other women in the process of discussing a particular woman. I challenge him to use those words, and prove to us he's actually as smart a guy as he thinks he is. [more here] Last week, I mentioned <http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/03/observation_23.html> that Bill Maher had called Sarah Palin a "dumb twat" on his show. On the next episode, he called <http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/26/maher-strikes-again-bachmann-and-palin-tw…> Palin and Rep. Michele Bachmann "bimbos." Then, Sunday night, during a comedy show in Dallas, he reportedly <http://www.dallasvoice.com/maher-your-beautiful-theater-gonna-long-1070487.…> called Sarah Palin a "cunt," because "there's just no other word for her." http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/542786/unacceptable%3A_sexist_… On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My British contacts insist that the term "cunt" as an insult is not > sexist in usage or intent. Vulgar, but not sexist. > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:02 PM, LB <lightbreather2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > One of my hurdles as an editor is incivility: a deficiency of it in > others > > and, according to some of them, too much of it in me - or too much > > sensitivity. I started a discussion "Where and how to request a Civility > > board" > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard#W… > > and there seems to be some strong resistance to the idea. > > > > Disappointingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the third person to reply > > dragged gender into it, with this comment: > > > > "Besides, the easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act > > like one." > > > > I would surely like some feedback - here and there - about this. > > > > Lightbreather > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > -- > Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey > > "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food > and clothes." > -- Desiderius Erasmus > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >

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WikiProject Countering systemic bias/open tasks
by Carol Moore dc 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

Going through old emails, see I now have info that replies to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bia… On 6/26/2014 11:16 AM, Pharos wrote: > I think a version of Marie's idea for an "umbrella" to help with > diversity-related articles might be quite useful. A number of > experienced editors have been trying to do this on an adhoc basis, but > it's hard to scale. > > Perhaps it would make sense to revive WikiProject Countering Systemic > Bias, or reformulate something like WikiProject Diversity. I can see > the point that a typical wikiproject oriented around a particular > subject area (rather than to fostering diversity in general) might be > a somewhat limiting definition. > > Dr Strassman is actually chair of the board of the Wiki Education > Foundation, serving the education program in the US and Canada (I am > another one of the board members). Certainly the education program > model of "ambassadors" is something that can be built on. > > Thanks, > Pharos

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Rebirthing PAIN or something like it - and c*nt talk
by LB 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

One of my hurdles as an editor is incivility: a deficiency of it in others and, according to some of them, too much of it in me - or too much sensitivity. I started a discussion "Where and how to request a Civility board" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard#W… and there seems to be some strong resistance to the idea. Disappointingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, the third person to reply dragged gender into it, with this comment: "Besides, the easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act like one." I would surely like some feedback - here and there - about this. Lightbreather

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Gender Gap brouhaha at en.Talk WP:ANI
by Carol Moore dc 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

It ranges all over the place on various issues. Wikipedia_talk:Administrators'_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board I'm now trying to use it for a definitive ruling as to whether the Gender Gap task force main page/subpage/essay can list particularly obnoxious examples of sexism, like a number that were mentioned here over the time. Pandora's box is being opened?

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Calling all women in tech - Scholarships for UK based attendees of AdaCamp Berlin 2014
by Daria Cybulska 25 Jul '14

25 Jul '14

Hi All, Please have a look and spread widely - really hope to see some of you at the event. The event is worth attending; I'm raising it particularly as there are scholarships for UK attendees. * AdaCamp is a conference dedicated to increasing women’s participation in open technology and culture. It brings women together to build community, share skills, discuss problems with open tech/culture communities that affect women, and find ways to address them. It has been taking place for several years in the US and Australia, but in 2014 it is coming to Europe for the first time. The Berlin AdaCamp will be October 11-12, 2014 at the Wikimedia Deutschland <http://wikimedia.de/> offices. It will also focus strongly on the Wikimedia community in particular. It is a valuable opportunity for UK Wikimedians to attend a focused event (of only about 50 attendees) where we will focus on learning practical things and planning future projects. If you have experience in open tech/culture, experience or knowledge of feminism and advocacy and the ability to collaborate with others, you should apply! We would like to help build a community of UK Wikimedians supporting women in open tech/culture - especially Wikimedia projects - and for that reason we are offering scholarships for UK applicants. To learn more about the event visit http://berlin.adacamp.org/ <http://berlin.adacamp.org/> To read about the application process and find out how to receive a scholarship, please visit http://berlin.adacamp.org/apply/ <http://berlin.adacamp.org/apply/> If you have any questions about the UK scholarships, contact Daria Cybulska at daria.cybulska(a)wikimedia.org.uk <daria.cybulska(a)wikimedia.org.uk> * -- Daria Cybulska - Programme Manager, Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 +44 7803 505 170 -- Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* -- Daria Cybulska - Programme Manager, Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 +44 7803 505 170 -- Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

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Novel by Woman-Notability
by Kathleen McCook 25 Jul '14

25 Jul '14

The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender. I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia. But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how do you encourage? Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed? Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale. http://windhamcampbell.org/2013/winner/zo%C3%AB-wicomb On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < > dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >> >> >>> On what basis in Clive Cussler notable? >>> >> That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries >> who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think >> we should say that “all published works by authors who have their >> paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores >> at airports are notable [image: Smile]“). >> > > Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't spend > a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of his > novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any > better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral > reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.) > > I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from her > perspective to be a double standard. > > Pete > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >

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Hi Gender Gap list
by Georgia Guthrie 24 Jul '14

24 Jul '14

Hi there, I'm messaging from Philadelphia, where I've been the director of a small hackerspace named The Hacktory for a number of years. We've developed a devoted if small following that has a good gender balance, and we continue to attract people of different genders who value gender equality and diversity. I attended Adacamp DC two summers ago and thought it was awesome, and I've really enjoyed the posts Sumana Harihareswara on the Adacamp list has been sharing about her own reflections on the Gender Gap issue. At The Hacktory we also developed a workshop we call "Hacking the Gender Gap" to help people talk and understand the Gender Gap, which is been well received in a number of technical and community groups. This also lead to me being invited to write about the topic for Make:Zine (Make Magazine's online blog) and r recently in their print magazine: http://makezine.com/magazine/make-40/where-are-the-women/ I've found an overwhelming interest in this topic in our local community and visitors to The Hacktory, and I try to point them towards other resources and sources as much as possible. I'm very interested to be part of the discussion here for that reason but also to keep tabs on the conversation in general. Look forward to hearing more, Best, Georgia -- Executive Director, The Hacktory <http://www.thehacktory.org/> (215) 650-7295 @The_Hacktory

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