An RfC has been opened on the continued use of the photo of a nude pregnant woman as the lead image at [[Pregnancy]], remarked upon here recently.
I found the response by HiLo48 to my !vote (where I raised the to-me relevant issue that I didn't see anyone else talking about directly) very revealing for our current discussions and this list in general.
I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of
"girls'" voices don't matter. I also find it questionable that you refer to
women as girls and don't hesitate ponder why you don't call men boys.
Many women, like myself, get driven off of WP due to frustration with the
hierarchy, which does exist. Women are treated with less respect, women are
questioned for their motives, women are called prudish if they object to
sexualizing images--or they are told their voices are not important because
they only comprise 9% of the population.
Why do you think they only comprise 9% then?
My goal on WP is to make it more diverse, and TBH I'm not too into this
picture discussion that has gone on for months. But it doesn't mean that it
doesn't matter or it isn't an important one, and it doesn't mean that the
women who care about it aren't important.
Offense is not the reason here, IMO. Offense barely scratches the surface. I
can imagine that many of the people on this list are angry--they are angry
that women are being objectified and because women are in the minority on
the community and it's an uninviting, sometimes terribly creepy atmosphere,
their voices do not matter.
As for badly written? My god that is the worst you can say? In writing terms
that is just snide and a low blow. Basically, only someone who can think of
no other insult would say this. "Well it's badly written and has spelling
mistakes!" Come on, get a fucking life.
Wikipedia is set up so that only people who look for these articles/pictures
will know about voting procedures. So of course if there is a vote, the
majority would probably be overall positive unless serious canvassing went
on to let people who care about the other side know about it so it evens
out. Canvassing is set up to prevent this--I believe it's actually a way of
biasing the community to serve only the community, and not the readers.
Because the readers are--the world. Telling people about the topic is just
like how any election goes. I guess unless you are in some sort of fake
election where people are led to believe that their votes actually count.
Nowhere did you prove that she lied in that article. You only stated how you
disagree with her opinion. Obviously you are not part of this group for the
interest of women, otherwise you would care about that 9%'s opinion---so why
are you subscribing???
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While a discussion was taking place on this list about gender neutrality
and language, Victor (User:victorgrigas) and I were having a
conversation about it via email. Victor decided to create a page about
"what language is Wikipedia?"
Hopefully you will contribute to your own and other languages.
Interesting mention about Russian Wikipedia, it states that they refer
to Wikipedia as a female, similar to how in English we refer to ships as
Aweee...even Klingon is featured }:) (How sentimental!)
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This is another one of those perspectives articles. :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Iran is where
the original text of this article can be found. We could use some
assistance with organising the perspectives section as the FAQ page (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ ) has become a bit crowd.
Any help doing that would be really, really appreciated. :) It is getting
a bit long. Any additional help improving these perspectives would also be
appreciated. There doesn't appear to be any research like this done by the
Foundation or academics studying Wikipedia. Thus, completely blank slate.
It is fantastic to now have it, as it means we can better address needs on
a global and local level.
the list of countries.
On to Iran! :D
No women attended the 10 Year Wikipedia Birthday party held in Tehran or
Mashhad.  They did attend the event in Tabriz.
In December 2011, according to Alexa, Wikipedia was ranked the 8th most
popular site in the country. In the period between November 2010 and
October 2011, 31.4% of the traffic to Mazandarani Wikipedia was from this
country. Iranians provide 74.5% of the traffic to Persian Wikipedia,
10.7% of the traffic to Sorani Wikipedia, 51.0% of the traffic to Gilaki
Wikipedia, 31.4% of the traffic to Mazandarani Wikipedia and 7.9% of the
traffic to Kashmiri Wikipedia. There are 0 articles about women's
basketball teams in this country on English Wikipedia. There are 0 articles
about women's basketball teams in this country on French Wikipedia. There
are 0 articles about women's basketball teams in this country on Japanese
Wikipedia. To contextualise this, there is a national women's league in
Iran and the country has a women's national team that competes
internationally. A search on Persian Wikipedia shows 57 results for
Women's basketball. There are 0 articles about women's association
football clubs in this country on Persian Wikipedia (fa:رده:باشگاههای
فوتبال زنان بر پایه کشور). There are 0 articles about women's association
football clubs in this country on English Wikipedia. There are 3 articles
about models from this country on English Wikipedia. In December 2011,
elections were held for English Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee. No women
from this country ran for Arbitration Committee and there are currently no
women from this country on the Arbitration Committee.
Persian Wikipedia has some coverage of women's sport. There is an article
about women's sport. There is a list of articles about female Iranian
athletes which links to several blue link articles including on about
Purple Rezai champion tennis player, Homa Hosseini : Qayqran and
national team basketball player, N Abtin who was an Iranian shooting
competitor at the 2008 Summer Olympics, , numerous Iranian chess
players, association football player Niloofar Ardalan,  and martial
artist Sarah Khvshjmal mind. Persian Wikipedia also covers female
politicians. A search for the term female politician brings up 45
results. Most of the biography articles in the result about about
non-Iranian women from countries lik the United States, the Netherlands,
India, Costa Rica and Thailand. For both sport and politics, biographies
are not sorted by gender: Men and women are both in one general broad
In December 2011, according to Alexa, Wikinews was ranked the 10,231th most
popular site in the country. A December 2011 search on Spanish Wikinews
for Irán mujeres found 17 articles that mentioned both words. A
December 2011 search on English Wikinews for Iran Women found 47 articles
that mentioned both words. A December 2011 search on Portuguese
Wikinews for mulheres Irã found 30 articles that mentioned both words.
There are no female administrators on English wikinews from this country,
nor are there any women from this country who are English wikinews
accredited reporters. On Portuguese Wikinews, there are no women active
from this country. This may be a result of several factors, including the
language and because Portuguese Wikinews only has an active editing
community of five people, one of whom is a woman. On Persian Wikinews, 283
users made at least 1 edit and 92 users made at least 5 edits. 80 users
explicitly set their gender: 73 or 91.25% are male and 7 or 8.75% are
Iranians are involved with some other projects, though not necessarily in
leadership positions outside their native language. On their home language,
their participation rates are higher in a few cases than the global 9%
number that has been cited. On Persian Wikiquote, 782 users made at least 1
edit and 270 users made at least 5 edits. 107 users explicitly set their
gender: 80 or 84.11% are male and 17 or 15.89% are female. In December
2011, Wikiversity was ranked the 40,841th most popular site in the
country. There are no women from this country involved in leadership
roles on English or German Wikiversity. Their participation is minimal to
non-existent. In December 2011, according to Alexa, Wikibooks was ranked
the 3,317th most popular site in the country. On Persian Wikibooks, 926
users made at least 1 edit and 424 users made at least 5 edits. 183 users
explicitly set their gender, with 140 or 76.5% as male and 43 or 23.5% as
female. On Persian Wikisource, 460 users made at least 1 edit and 148
users made at least 5 edits 44 users explicitly set their gender: 130 or
90.28% are male, and 14 or 9.72% are female. On Persian Wiktionary, 909
users made at least 1 edit and 224 users made at least 5 edits. 87 users
explicitly set their gender: 171 or 91.44% are male and 16 or 8.56% are
female. There are no bureaucrats, male or female, from this country on
MediaWiki.Org. There is 3 men and 0 women on the language incubator who
use Persian as their native language.
Iranians do not appear to be a priority area for the Foundation. During the
December 2011 fundraising appeal, no Iranians, men or women, were featured
are part of the appeal. During the 2011 Summer of Research, the WMF hired
eight research fellows. Of these, only one was female, and she was from the
United States. There were four males from American universities, The other
researchers included men from a Japanese university, a Swiss university and
a Canadian university. There were no research fellows, male or female, from
https://toolserver.org/~robin/?tool=incubatorprefs&db=ruwikiversity is a
tool that allows you to check the participation rates of males/females on
various wikiprojects based on users who explicitly state this information
in their profile. I've been trying to get this data for specific country
pages on the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectivesnational
perspectives. I've done a sample of about 89 different projects,
getting the total number of males/females and the percentage of
males/females on a given project.
Across these projects, the mean, median and mode was:
Females Users % Mean 638.4269663 13.05741573 Median 9 10.88 Mode 0 0
What was surprising was some projects have 20%+ female participation for
relatively large projects including Russian and Portuguese Wikipedia.
Slovene Wikiquote only has 90 women on it, but they make up 75% of the
identified by gender population. Data below.
Language Project Gender Users % Slovenian Wikisource Female 90 77.59
Arabic Wikimedia Female 1 50 Polish Wikiquote Female 132 42.31 Slovenian
Wikipedia Female 928 35.79 Russian Wikiquote Female 127 31.91 Portuguese
Wikibooks Female 223 30.42 Portuguese Wiktionary Female 114 29.61
Portuguese Wikiquote Female 58 29 Russian Wikiversity Female 180 26.63
Portuguese Wikipedia Female 12,264 25.9 Russian Wikibooks Female 195 25.36
Dutch Wikibooks Female 54 24.43 Persian Wikibooks Female 43 23.5 Russian
Wikipedia Female 33,275 23.34 French Wikisource Female 100 23.15 French
Wikiquote Female 34 22.52 Dutch Wiktionary Female 52 22.51 Portuguese
Wikisource Female 36 21.56 Portuguese Wikiversity Female 106 21.54 Russian
Wikinews Female 60 21.05 Polish Wikimedia Female 27 20.3 Polish Wiktionary
Female 54 20.3 Polish Wikibooks Female 63 20 Arabic Wikiquote Female 29
19.46 Arabic Wikibooks Female 30 19.35 Slovenian Wikiquote Female 2 18.18
Polish Wikisource Female 23 17.69 Russian Wikisource Female 60 16.76
Arabic Wikisource Female 22 16.67 Dutch Wikimedia Female 8 16.33 French
Wikibooks Female 49 16.12 Persian Wikiquote Female 17 15.89 French
Wikiversity Female 87 15.88 Norwegian (Nynorsk) Wikipedia Female 57 15.83
Vietnamese Wiktionary Female 37 14.92 Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia Female 79
14.77 Arabic Wikipedia Female 3,580 14.73 French Wikipedia Female 4,319
14.65 Vietnamese Wikisource Female 12 13.95 Dutch Wikiquote Female 5 13.51
Korean Wikisource Female 9 12.68 French Wikinews Female 26 12.32 Arabic
Wikiversity Female 9 12.16 Polish Wikinews Female 13 11.71 Portuguese
Wikinews Female 16 10.88 Vietnamese Wikiquotes Female 8 10.67 Vietnamese
Wikibooks Female 14 10.61 Arabic Wikinews Female 12 10.43 Russian
Wikimedia Female 5 10.42 Catalan Wiktionary Female 3 10 Persian Wikisource
Female 14 9.72 Korean Wiktionary Female 7 9.21 Catalan Wikibooks Female 3
9.09 Persian Wikinews Female 7 8.75 Persian Wiktionary Female 16 8.56
Asturian Wikipedia Female 10 8.55 Korean Wikiquote Female 2 8 Catalan
Wikisource Female 1 7.14 Corsican Wikimedia Female 1 7.14 Portuguese
Wikimedia Female 1 6.67 Dutch Wikinews Female 1 4.76 Ripuarian Wikipedia
Female 3 4.29 Kurdish Wiktionary Female 1 3.57 Dutch Wikisource Female 1
3.45 Furlan Wikipedia Female 1 2 Banjar Wikipedia Female 1 1.75 Corsican
Wikipedia Female 1 1.69 Buginese Wikipedia Female 1 1.67 Kurdish Wikipedia
Female 1 0.81 Catalan Wikinews Female 0 0 Catalan Wikiquote Female 0 0
Fijian Wikpedia Female 0 0 Fijian Wiktionary Female 0 0 Korean Wikibooks
Female 0 0 Korean Wikinews Female 0 0 Kanuri Wikipedia Female 0 0 Kanuri
Wikiquote Female 0 0 Kashmiri Wikipedia Female 0 0 Kashmiri Wikibooks
Female 0 0 Kashmiri Wikiquote Female 0 0 Kashmiri Wiktionary Female 0 0
Kurdish Wikibooks Female 0 0 Kurdish Wikiquote Female 0 0 Slovenian
Wikibooks Female 0 0 Asturian Wikibooks Female 0 0 Asturian Wikiquote
Female 0 0 Buryat (Russia) Wikipedia Female 0 0 Corsican Wikibooks Female
0 0 Corsican Wikiquote Female 0 0
What is going on here? What makes the Portuguese, Russians, Poles and
Slovenes so good at attracting a larger percentage of female contributors
than their English speaking counterparts?
I'll echo Kevin's words, as I couldn't have said it better myself:
"To me, article differentials like this are one of the most interesting
manifestations of the gender gap, and are worth talking about on this list.
Content that deals primarily with women is systematically underdeveloped
throughout the projects, and that is a big deal. The gendergap would still
be disturbing even if this weren't the case - but to me at least, the
systemic underdevelopment of content is probably the single most worrisome
And while I may not jumping to join in on conversations regarding photos of
questionable value to Wikipedia I think it prompts important discussions
about how to shape the policy and culture of Wikipedia while preserving the
intention of the site.
In addition, if you're calling for less drama I'd suggest you heed your own
words, Beria. Pete's response did not imply you're not qualified to talk
but rather called for some more constructive feedback and ideas. Obviously
you're doing a lot for the gender gap and that's great. On the other hand,
the attitude is completely uncalled for.