Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages without text

14 Oct 2009


      Thank you for explaining, this discussion would have been off-topic in the other thread.  I am not someone that finds statistics to be a big deal, but I have learned that others feel deeply about such issues.  The statistics total all pages marked "4" and report this as the number of pages a subdomain has proofread and validated.  So when compared to other subdomains which mark empty pages with "0" the numbers of de.WS are slightly inflated.  The current state of things is that other subdomains do not count empty pages in their totals while de.WS does.  I appreciate your introducing the situation to the local community.
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Jörgens joergens.mic@googlemail.com wrote:
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From: Michael Jörgens joergens.mic@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages without text
To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 2:29 PM
Sorry, that was my fault, I didn't read
the topic right, i thougt this discussion is still part of
the topic  [Wikisource-l]
Proofreading.
From
my personal point of view, there is no difference between
this pages. I see no need to distinguish empty und full
pages. The final state means, all work needed is done with
this page. 
In
general I like statistiks, but never mind,  I would never
count empty pages. 
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the other hand if others like to do, no problem in
general. 
I
think we will introduce this question to our community and
we will make a decision. Changes can be done by bot, as I
understand.
sincerly
joergens.mi
2009/10/14 Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com
I sorry you find the concerns other people have to be
"empty" and "silly".  Perhaps in the
future you could ignore the threads on smaller issues
without comment.  It would really help keep things more
congenial.
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Jörgens joergens.mic@googlemail.com
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From: Michael Jörgens joergens.mic@googlemail.com
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Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages
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To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free
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Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:15 PM
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Is there a need for
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The main point ist to find an for all acceptable
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way of working together with Thomas. In a way
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that Thomas is satisfied and feels comfortable,
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problems he see's into concern and the problems
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projects have.
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And it should be a compromise that all can accept,
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without feeling overruled by others.
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With this in the background the other discussion
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is simply silly.  Some are talking about some pages,
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in total are below 1%, there are bigger issues to
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solve.
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sincerly joergens.mi
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2009/10/14 Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com
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disagree in general with the idea that everyone must
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conform.  There is room for the communities to
develop
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their own solutions.  Hopefully when one community
proves
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that some solution has good results others will learn
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their experience and adopt it.  But there needs to be
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for experimentation.
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In this specific case, it seems to me this is more of
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legacy issue on de.WS rather than a deliberate choice.
If
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they (as well as every other subdomains) conform to
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standards the majority of Wikisources use then the
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comparative numbers between Wikisources will be more
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accurate.  I don't see a strong reason for de.WS
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deciding to not conform here.  But it is a bunch of
tedious
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work and it should be thoroughly discussed.  It would
be
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very nice if de.WS took the time to consider the issue
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let us know what the consensus turns out to be.
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However we can always make a footnote when people
choose to
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count things differently and estimate with data
crunching.
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(i.e. Of 1000 validated pages on the top three
non-de.WS
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subdomains the average number of empty pages is X
(A%),
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therefore an estimate of de.WS validated non-empty
page is
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the given total minus the A% of the given total)
This is
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not an unsolvable issue and I am sure sooner of later
some
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subdomain will discover a good reason to do something
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differently.
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Birgitte SB
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From: Syagrius syagrius@gmx.fr
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Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages without text
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To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the
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Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 10:47 AM
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#yiv579852079 html, #yiv579852079
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{}#yiv579852079 html
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{width:100%;height:100%;margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv579852079
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#CCC;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;} If the
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Wikisources have adopted
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some common rules, every sublanguage
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the other hand, I don't understand why you
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want to transform these empty pages, since en.ws
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already did it and a bot could do it very
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would be absolutely no loss of quality or
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Syagrius
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d'origine -----De : John
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VandenbergEnvoyés : 14.10.09 02:03À :
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Syagrius, could you please explain why this
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other wikisources" when we mark them as
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It is not a part of the same work.
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Advertisements are a _different_ work, and it has
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It should be marked as a incomplete.
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Advertisements are also sources....
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Advertisements
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