Thank you for explaining, this discussion would have been off-topic in the other thread.
I am not someone that finds statistics to be a big deal, but I have learned that others
feel deeply about such issues. The statistics total all pages marked "4" and
report this as the number of pages a subdomain has proofread and validated. So when
compared to other subdomains which mark empty pages with "0" the numbers of
de.WS are slightly inflated. The current state of things is that other subdomains do not
count empty pages in their totals while de.WS does. I appreciate your introducing the
situation to the local community.
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Jörgens <joergens.mic(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
From: Michael Jörgens
<joergens.mic(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages without text
To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library"
<wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 2:29 PM
Sorry, that was my fault, I didn't read
the topic right, i thougt this discussion is still part of
the topic [Wikisource-l]
Proofreading.
From
my personal point of view, there is no difference between
this pages. I see no need to distinguish empty und full
pages. The final state means, all work needed is done with
this page.
In
general I like statistiks, but never mind, I would never
count empty pages.
On
the other hand if others like to do, no problem in
general.
I
think we will introduce this question to our community and
we will make a decision. Changes can be done by bot, as I
understand.
sincerly
joergens.mi
2009/10/14 Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com>
I sorry you find the concerns other people have to be
"empty" and "silly". Perhaps in the
future you could ignore the threads on smaller issues
without comment. It would really help keep things more
congenial.
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Jörgens <joergens.mic(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
From: Michael Jörgens
<joergens.mic(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages
without
text
To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the
free
library" <wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:15 PM
Is there a need for
this
''empty discussion'' about empty
pages
here,
The main point ist to find an for all acceptable
way of working together with Thomas. In a way
that Thomas is satisfied and feels comfortable,
taking the
problems he see's into concern and the
problems
some
projects have.
And it should be a compromise that all can
accept,
without feeling overruled by others.
With this in the background the other discussion
is simply silly. Some are talking about some
pages,
which
in total are below 1%, there are bigger issues to
solve.
sincerly joergens.mi
2009/10/14 Birgitte SB
<birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com>
I
disagree in general with the idea that everyone
must
conform. There is room for the communities to
develop
their own solutions. Hopefully when one
community
proves
that some solution has good results others will
learn
from
their experience and adopt it. But there needs
to be
room
for experimentation.
In this specific case, it seems to me this is
more of
legacy issue on de.WS rather than a deliberate
choice.
If
they (as well as every other subdomains) conform
to
the
standards the majority of Wikisources use then
the
comparative numbers between Wikisources will be
more
accurate. I don't see a strong reason for
de.WS
deciding to not conform here. But it is a bunch
of
tedious
work and it should be thoroughly discussed. It
would
be
very nice if de.WS took the time to consider the
issue
and
let us know what the consensus turns out to be.
However we can always make a footnote when people
choose to
count things differently and estimate with data
crunching.
(i.e. Of 1000 validated pages on the top three
non-de.WS
subdomains the average number of empty pages is X
(A%),
therefore an estimate of de.WS validated
non-empty
page is
the given total minus the A% of the given total)
This is
not an unsolvable issue and I am sure sooner of
later
some
subdomain will discover a good reason to do
something
differently.
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Syagrius
<syagrius(a)gmx.fr>
wrote:
> From: Syagrius <syagrius(a)gmx.fr>
> Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages without
text
> To: "discussion list for Wikisource,
the
free
library"
<wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 10:47 AM
> #yiv579852079 html, #yiv579852079
> {}#yiv579852079 html
>
{width:100%;height:100%;margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv579852079
> {font-size:100.01%;font-family:Verdana,
Geneva,
Arial,
> Helvetica,
>
sans-serif;background-color:transparent;background-image:none;margin:0px;padding:5px;}#yiv579852079
> p {margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv579852079
> {font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana, Geneva,
Arial,
> Helvetica,
>
sans-serif;background-color:#FFFFFF;}#yiv579852079 p
> {margin:0;padding:0;}#yiv579852079
blockquote
>
{padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px;}#yiv579852079
> blockquote.quote {border-left:1px solid
> #CCC;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;} If
the
Wikisources have adopted
> some common rules, every sublanguage
should follow it. On
> the other hand, I don't understand why
you
don't
> want to transform these empty pages, since
en.ws
and fr.ws
> already did it and a bot could do it very
easily.
There
> would be absolutely no loss of quality or
credibility...
>
> Syagrius
>
>
> ----- Message
> d'origine -----De : John
> VandenbergEnvoyés : 14.10.09 02:03À :
> discussion list for Wikisource, the
free
> libraryObjet : Re: [Wikisource-l] Pages
without
> text On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:12
AM, Cecil
> wrote:
> > Syagrius, could you please explain why
this
would
be
> "irrespectuous toward
> > other wikisources" when we mark
them as
part
of a
> 'finished' project?
>
> It is not a part of the same work.
>
> Advertisements are a _different_ work, and
it has
not
been
> transcribed.
>
> It should be marked as a incomplete.
>
> Advertisements are also sources....
>
>
> :-)
>
> --
> John Vandenberg
>
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