We of course do not have as many problematic uploads as FB does (and to be
honest having a personal experience I am not really impressed with the
quality of their moderators), but we still get several hundreds of obvious
copyright violations per day uploaded to Commons, and several hundreds junk
articles started and not passed the new page patrol barrier in the English
Wikipedia (deleted or draftified forever). I am sure we have a similar
situation in other big projects. All these things are cleaned up by a very
few people who are on top of the time lost for these tasks also subject to
constant abuse. Note that I am not saying that WMF must pay admins
compensation (still stronger, I will likely leave WMF projects if it starts
doing so), but the problem of emotional drain of those who are dealing with
this shit on a daily basis is real. I am afraid though it has no solution,
because we know that the obvious solution - get more people - does not work.
I am not even talking about off-wiki harassment - which in my experience is
more rare but much stronger because you do not know how real are the
threats. Last time I had to report to the police. This one has no solution
either.
Best
Yaroslav
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
With regard to the issue Facebook is having, if that
were to become an
issue on Wikimedia projects something likely would have happened already.
The majority of disturbing content is handled by volunteers, and that which
T&S handles is often sent to them by volunteers.
Also, given the relatively complicated upload process (compared to
Facebook), we simply don’t get nearly as many problematic uploads as they
do.
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 09:19 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is anyone not already aware of the recent issue
facing Facebook over
compensation for moderators
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/12/facebook-moderators-ptsd-settlement/
To
me there appears to be potential risk that the Board and the WMF must
consider in relation to any role that involves any form of moderation;
1. is there a problem with setting standards against harassment, toxic
behavior, and incivility that is at a minimum equal, understandable,
and
respected on all projects, committees,
affiliates, events and
everything
else we do
2. is there concern about being asked to contribute at these standards
3. is the concern how much the WMF needs to be part of the process, or
4. how long it should be allowed to go unaddressed before its
escalated.
I go back way to far back I remember a group targeted stalking of female
admins, I was part of a group of admins that were willing to take action
against this group. We lost some very good people during that,
Harassment
has been an on going issue for all my 15 years,
we had some the worst
people become tool holders, others have just created 1,000's of socks.
There are still people contributing today that are trolls, and harassers
contributing today, we know that our failures to deal with it effectively
and quickly are legendary. What ever we do we need to keep improving
our
response and our ability to respond across
projects, the alternative is
going to be that the Board & WMF are going to have to step in and take
responsibility out of the communities hands.
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 18:58, Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com
wrote:
What Martin mentions should be covered in the
recommendations for the
2030
> strategy, the measures mentioned here being "fast-tracked" to provide a
> starting point for improving Community Health.
> Conflict resolution needs to happen on the lowest possible level so
that
we
don't run into situations we've
encountered in the past. Of course it's
difficult for one aspect to work without the other, so the overall goal
won't be achieved until every part is in place.
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 17:46, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> A former steward fellow and I
> discussed this topic at the Safety Space at Wikimania. Due to the
nature
> of
> > the space, the discussion have not been documented but you can find
the
> > > presentation with backgrounds of the situation and open questions
on
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_%E2%80%93_Do_we_need…
> >
>.
> > Maybe it can give some ideas how to proceed with this.
> >
>
> Yes -- I was just thinking of your discussions of this while reading
the
> > thread. I hope these steward reflections are considered as people
move
> > forward.
> >
> > The case of disputes that embroil an entire community and their
admins
> > should (also) specifically be
addressed.
> > S
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