Hoi,
The fact that it is considered major enough to address how Snøhetta became
blocked on English Wikipedia is ok. What is also does is confirm the bias
towards English Wikipedia. I am pretty sure that in the briefing of
Snøhetta personnel it was NOT mentioned that other projects may have
different policies, they substantially differ.
For me this whole process seems like a traintrack leading to a train wreck.
Wikipedia is not what *we *do, it is the brand Wikimedia is best known for.
Remember bias is not experienced and appreciated by the people who are
associated with what is dominant. I stated before how Wikipedia bias has
prevented us to move forward with our other "brands" and projects. I would
like some response on that.
Thanks,
GeradM
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 00:16, Samir Elsharbaty <selsharbaty(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns and
questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now added an
FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the block
and what is being done. The project team is in the process of updating the
project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages to
your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information.
Best,
Samir
[1]
https://w.wiki/LEF
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This does have feeling of a company creating a
financial relationship
with
the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a
community ban thats been
reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many users who been
blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they
start
making recommendation or decisions about who we
are there needs to be
something done to get them back to good standing with the community first
untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen
house, I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend.
After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the
2030
strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as
it is that should have
been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible
not
to have known or explored that before deciding
where, how, why we will be
doing anything for the next 10 years.
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Particularly as they've demonstrated by their
actions an unwillingness
to work with Wikipedia properly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archi…
>
>
> - d.
>
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
> <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far,
it
looks
like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we
operate,
> or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin
> their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of
buzz,
little
content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong,
and
> they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block
> evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
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> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> > you, Essie.
> >
> > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of
resources
> > (all of which are questionable), I
don't think that this project is a
> > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself
as
> > the Wikipedia Foundation including the
risk to the communities and
> > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think
that
> > the costs or the risks here make sense,
I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> > months.
> >
> > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> > in its current form.
> >
> > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
> > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
> > this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
> > project to continue, I would let the community decide on the
project's
> > parameters and budget, and what if any
consultant should be involved.
> >
> > Pine
> > (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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