On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 12:03, Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Please let us avoid using misleading statistics to make a point.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 14:02, Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 12:38, Demian aronmanning5@gmail.com wrote:
[...], but to be exact, I was looking to understand why only 2.8% (47 out of 1668 https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/meta.wikimedia.org/Seddon_(WMF)#year-counts) of your mainspace edits since 2016 are made with Visual Editor. To answer Dan: I was unaware of the personal account with 189 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Seddon&offset=&limit=600&target=Seddon /399 https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Seddon#year-counts mainspace visual edits since 2016, which makes the grand total 11.41% (236 out of 2067) of mainspace edits.
At this point, I think looking at the editing environment Seddon used across his staff and personal edit history has dubious value to furthering this discussion about fundraising.
Hello Dan, we haven't met yet. Thank you for your feedback. You've pointed out that the statistics I've provided was superficial - which it was -, therefore I've produced exact numbers to satisfy your expectation. Are you saying this has "dubious value"? I'm sorry if that's how you feel: it made Seddon's opinion on Visual Editor more understandable than just the work account that I knew about (the personal account is not declared). I'd say that's a benefit. Please note that I don't appreciate my work being described with these words. Accurate facts serve as a basis for quality work and acquiring those facts takes valuable time.
While Visual Editor has its benefits and I also use it on meta with
similar success rate, for me the dream would be an editor that I can use at least 80% of the time, and the ultimate would be 100% like the service provided by Dropbox Paper, Google Docs, Coda and Nuclino for example.
I think we'd all love that. I certainly would. Making that happen would probably be a large organisational pivot; I can't find any statistics about how big the team is that made, say, Google Docs, but I suspect it's larger than the entire Wikimedia Foundation. This topic would probably have been better discussed in the movement strategy conversations, as a thread on a mailing list won't make it happen.
These are just examples of what's possible, not the focus of my question.
Therefore my concern is if Visual Editor met your expectations well, what
was the reason not to use it for 1800+ edits, which includes most major edits on meta?
I'm sure the Editing team would appreciate your help with conducting systematic user research. Have you reached out to them?
Yes, I did, but the topic of this thread is not user research, but a simple question, and it is now getting longer than intended. As the rest of the topics were exhausted, just this one question remains if Seddon wishes to answer it. Thank you for your feedback once again.
Aron *Senior Software Architect and Analyst*