Re: [Wikimedia-l] Greener travel and the ethics of carbon offset for Wikimedia community events

-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 16:53, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote: > > The price really depends on the project selected and can vary from less > than a dollar to close to $20 per tonne, and the cheaper projects do not > necessarily have less of an impact (more likely they have fewer levels of > independent verification). > > Do note that apart from the company recommended on the Wikimania wiki, > there are other options out there. For example, on the UNFCCC portal you > will find many in even under the $1/tonne range: > https://offset.climateneutralnow.org/allprojects if you check the > individual projects, there is quite a lot of detail and documentation > included to be able to have confidence that the money goes to the correct > place. > The ones that come with further certification can cost more of course, with > the projects on the Gold Standard website being on the $10-15/tonne price > range (they have a "basket" of projects option at $11[1]), and Terrapass > chosen by the organisers of Wikmania also seem to be around the $9 mark > (they count in pounds for some reason on their website). > > For personal offsetting I am quite happy to go by the UN site and I think > that is a good start to starting offsetting if one did not do it before. If > one has more resources or time, they can spend it on selecting projects > that meet their specific criteria (for example, social impacts beyond > climate impacts, projects in specific geographic regions, or an extra level > of certification) taking into account the extra cost. > > Best regards, > Bence > > > [1] https://www.goldstandard.org/take-action/offset-your-emissions, > https://www.goldstandard.org/projects/climate-portfolio-variety-projects > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 17:24, Osmar Valdebenito b1mbo.wikipedia@gmail.com > wrote: > > > Maybe it's cheap... for European participants in a conference. > > People coming from developing nations tend to live further and require > > longer trips to participate in events and conference, mostly hosted in > > Europe or the US. > > So, not only you are asking us to spend larger hours on flights but also > > pay (or make someone else pay more) for it. > > I calculated how much carbon offset costed for my Wikimania travel, using > > the websites offered at the WM wiki, and it wasn't 1 or 2 usd. It was 107 > > euros, around 10% or more of the cost of the trip. > > I'm all for making a greener Wikimedia movement, but we should do it not > > affecting those that, supposedly, we want to include more in our movement. > > > > El sáb., 12 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 11:27, Andrea Zanni ( > > zanni.andrea84@gmail.com) escribió: > > > > > I agree with Bence. > > > Right now, offsetting is cheap, likely 1-2 percentage points of the cost > > of > > > travel. > > > Those money could be asked directly in the grant to the WMF, for example, > > > because offsetting several tonnes in bulk is probably cheaper than doing > > it > > > person by person. > > > > > > But carbon offsetting is just one strategy. Those money could be also > > > invested in charities that conserve rainforest (and thus native people, > > and > > > thus native culture > perfectly aligned with Wikimedia goals), or manage > > to > > > plant new trees and forests. > > > > > > I know for sure that Wikimedia Deutschland has contacts with Ecosia¹, a > > > search engine that plant trees with revenue from web ads. There are > > surely > > > ways we could partner with them in reforestation projects, or other. And > > > they surely know a lot more than us about carbon offsetting, so we could > > > just ask for suggestions. > > > > > > ¹ https://www.ecosia.org/ > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:00 AM Henry Wood henry.wood.1869@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > Paying for carbon offsets does not further Wikimedia’s goals. > > > > > > > > Not directly, any more than paying for petrol or aviation fuel does. > > > > If you regard it as part of the cost of travel, and that travel does > > > > indeed further the Foundation's goals, then it seems reasonable to pay > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe