Maybe it's cheap... for European participants in a conference. People coming from developing nations tend to live further and require longer trips to participate in events and conference, mostly hosted in Europe or the US. So, not only you are asking us to spend larger hours on flights but also pay (or make someone else pay more) for it. I calculated how much carbon offset costed for my Wikimania travel, using the websites offered at the WM wiki, and it wasn't 1 or 2 usd. It was 107 euros, around 10% or more of the cost of the trip. I'm all for making a greener Wikimedia movement, but we should do it not affecting those that, supposedly, we want to include more in our movement.
El sáb., 12 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 11:27, Andrea Zanni ( zanni.andrea84@gmail.com) escribió:
I agree with Bence. Right now, offsetting is cheap, likely 1-2 percentage points of the cost of travel. Those money could be asked directly in the grant to the WMF, for example, because offsetting several tonnes in bulk is probably cheaper than doing it person by person.
But carbon offsetting is just one strategy. Those money could be also invested in charities that conserve rainforest (and thus native people, and thus native culture > perfectly aligned with Wikimedia goals), or manage to plant new trees and forests.
I know for sure that Wikimedia Deutschland has contacts with Ecosia¹, a search engine that plant trees with revenue from web ads. There are surely ways we could partner with them in reforestation projects, or other. And they surely know a lot more than us about carbon offsetting, so we could just ask for suggestions.
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:00 AM Henry Wood henry.wood.1869@gmail.com wrote:
Mike
Paying for carbon offsets does not further Wikimedia’s goals.
Not directly, any more than paying for petrol or aviation fuel does. If you regard it as part of the cost of travel, and that travel does indeed further the Foundation's goals, then it seems reasonable to pay for it.
Henry
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