Sure, if you want to see it through that lens I guess you could argue such. However, just to put things in perspective: 1) if a group has more active cores, maybe they should be more broadly represented in Berlin. Maybe these constructs shouldn't be necessary. 2) No matter how much some care about the ASBS, I doubt that this will be a driving force to get more bureaucracy (because that is the cost of setting up a UG). 3) funding for local activities is probably not really a consideration in the case of Russia, where foreign funding is (to put it mildly) 'complicated'.
Lets assume for the sake of the discussion that the group has legitimate reasons to request affiliate status (although I have my assumptions, I'm curious what tipped the scale).
Lodewijk
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com wrote:
This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It allows :
- decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
affiliates
- more seats in Berlin and other conferences
- more votes in the ASBS election
- less financial burden over the national chapter, and additional funding
for local activities.
Huge and well established chapters like WMDE could easily set up dozens of local affiliates, with great advantage.
Paulo
A sexta, 4 de out de 2019, 08:04, Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> escreveu:
I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent example of this).
Best, Philip
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with Wikimedia Russia.
The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when
a
user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could
continue
the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from
South
of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
Lodewijk
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything. Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but
the
way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with
same
Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
Paulo
Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan@gmail.com escreveu no dia quinta,
3/10/2019
à(s) 23:06:
What about Wikimedia NYC? (I'm not sure of its organizational
status)
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
believe
it compares with a city UG.
Paulo
Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk escreveu no dia quinta,
3/10/2019
à(s) 22:53:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta > paulosperneta@gmail.com wrote: > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently
it's
> basically > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia? > > > > It's a curious precedent. > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia
Community
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