In this case none of the images and videos were published outside Commons. But there were claims that this were Derivative Works. We are again in the same point: we are asking for uploaders to fulfill something beyond the usual uploading duties. ________________________________ From: Wikimedia-l wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 6:43 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach
The issue is not in that way. If you published an image exclusively on Commons, then no problem. If you first publish an image outside Commons, how do we know that you are the author? OK, there may be some factors to prove that (consistency of EXIF data, etc.), but in the absence of EXIF data, we the issue remain.
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Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 10:00, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com a écrit :
Again; what is different between me as a photographer taking pictures for a newspaper and me as a photograper taking pictures for Commons? Is it the name written om the lens? The shoes I'm wearing?
There are no difference, this is a fallacy.
John Erling Blad /jeblad
tir. 14. mai 2019, 05.50 skrev Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com:
Hi,
Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was previously published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons. I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by OTRS.
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Le lun. 13 mai 2019 à 16:56, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com a
écrit :
I can imagine a bot comparing photos found by Google (ie. comparing hashes) but not a system extracting some kind of unique feature that says an image is a copyright violation. So how do you imagine ORES being used for copyright violations? I can't see how a copyright violation would have any kind of feature that is exclusive? The argument is quite simple; I as a photographer for a newspaper could take the exact same pictures as I as an amateur photographer. (I have photographed a lot for various newspapers.) Using the same equipment, and me being me, what is different?
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:21 PM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support
for
images that might be copyright violation, or both.
Best
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com
wrote:
Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the
amount of
material it has to deal with.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
benjaminikuta@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or
capable
to
do
the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com
wrote:
> Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted. > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several
GLAM-related
> mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing
what it
is > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can
create a
> project template to mark all uploads with them. > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with
Common's
> admins - creating template and project page helps to promote
you
project
> across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do
something
similar. > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but
on
the
other > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright
violating
files a
> day: > > See the list from just one day: > >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to
cope
with
> aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after
some
time -
> decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the
other
issue
> is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads -
screening
uploads
> by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > thrapostibongles@gmail.com> napisał(a): > >> Hello all, >> >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the
Commons
components >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a
highly
>> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the
Education
>> Newsletter >> >> >>
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Comm...
>> >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach
project
>> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on
Commons
>> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student
projects
and >> so concluded they were copyright violations. But some rather
odd
remarks >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded copyrighted >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that
doesn't
care."
>> and >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud
storage
for
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