Hi Todd,
If you are active in Commons, and demonstrably understand copyright, ToO,
DeMinimis, FOP, you are very welcome as a sysop there, AFAIK:
There are some minimal requests of participation, which should not be an
obstacle for anyone fairly active there.
Best,
Paulo
Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s)
22:43:
I wouldn't even have any idea what I'd need to
do to be a sysop on Commons.
I frequently do find copyvio images and nominate them for deletion on
Commons while working on the English Wikipedia spam queue (and yes, I'm
familiar with copyright law, and they have all, to my knowledge, indeed
been found to be copyvios and deleted), but I wouldn't even have the first
clue to what being a Commons admin would entail or what the expectations
are.
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 2:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone doing Commons stuff has to do have Commons
skills. Wikipedia
sysops
are not asked to have them, and do not have them
by default.
If Wikipedia sysops that deal with copyright want to be Commons admins,
they can apply anytime for that role. Otherwise, render to Caesar the
things that are Caesar's.
Paulo
Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s)
21:13:
> Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an
> efficient way.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 17:31 Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > I absolutely disagree with this. A Wikipedia sysop do not necessarily
> has -
> > and from my experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary
skills
to
> deal with copyright.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete
images
> > on
> > > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads
come
> > from
> > > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work.
> > >
> > > Vito
> > >
> > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <
> jmh649(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons
interested
in
> > > having more admins?
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay
for
> > > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run
a
> > > > > copyvio bot on the live
new uploads list. Such a bot would not
be
> > > > > terribly hard to get
working, and would be a great experiment
to
> see
> > > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be
> > > > > reduced.[1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily
housekeeping
> > > > > image matches to highly
likely copyrighted categories would
make
mass
> > > > housekeeping very easy.
> > > >
> > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic
image
> > > > hashes, which neatly show
"close" image matches.[2] With a
Commons
> > hat
> > > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use
> than
> > > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem
to
> suck
> > > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so
long,
that
> > > several of the most experienced
long term volunteers that were
> > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive
short
> > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the
useful
> >
> experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away.
> > >
> > > Links
> > > 1.
> > >
> >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Goo…
> >
> > 2.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash
> > > >
> > > > Fae
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <
ladsgroup(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or
ores
> > support
> > > > for
> > > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <
> ymbalt(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small,
compared
with
the
> > > > amount of
> > > > > > material it has to deal with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Yaroslav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
> > > > benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people
willing
or
> > > > capable
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining
the bit?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <
> > polimerek(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they
are all
> > undeleted.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when
organizing
> several
> > > > > > > GLAM-related
> > > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons
project page
> > describing
> > > > > what it
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in
English. Then
you
> can
> > > > > create a
> > > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with
them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See:
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding
unnecessary clashes
> with
> > > > > Common's
> > > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page
helps to
> promote
> > > you
> > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire
others to
do
> >
> something
> > > > > > > similar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for
uploaders,
> > but
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds
of copyright
> > > violating
> > > > > > > files a
> > > > > > > > > day:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways -
Common's admins
have
to
> > cope
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day,
and
after
> > > some
> > > > > time -
> > > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile
themselves...
and
> the
> > > > other
> > > > > > > issue
> > > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and
OTRS agents.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system
- uploads -
> > > screening
> > > > > > > uploads
> > > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep
rethinking.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister
Thrapostibongles <
> > > > > > > > > thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Hello all,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the
Outreach and
the
> > > Commons
> > > > > > > > components
> > > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article
"Wikimedia
> > Commons: a
> > > > > highly
> > > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students
contributions"
at
the
> > > Education
> > > > > > >> Newsletter
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Com…
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an
Outreach
> > > > project
> > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video
material, and
comeone
> on
> > > > Commons
> > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to
well-made to be
> student
> > > > projects
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations.
But some
> rather
> > > odd
> > > > > > > remarks
> > > > > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the
endless stream of
> uploaded
> > > > > > > copyrighted
> > > > > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San
Francisco
that
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > care."
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little
more than free
cloud
> > > storage
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia
".
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this
dispute?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Thrapostibongles
> > > > > > > >>
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