I wouldn't even have any idea what I'd need to do to be a sysop on Commons.
I frequently do find copyvio images and nominate them for deletion on
Commons while working on the English Wikipedia spam queue (and yes, I'm
familiar with copyright law, and they have all, to my knowledge, indeed
been found to be copyvios and deleted), but I wouldn't even have the first
clue to what being a Commons admin would entail or what the expectations
are.
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 2:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone doing Commons stuff has to do have Commons
skills. Wikipedia sysops
are not asked to have them, and do not have them by default.
If Wikipedia sysops that deal with copyright want to be Commons admins,
they can apply anytime for that role. Otherwise, render to Caesar the
things that are Caesar's.
Paulo
Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s)
21:13:
Major projects surely deal with a significant
amount of uploads in an
efficient way.
Vito
Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 17:31 Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
I absolutely disagree with this. A Wikipedia
sysop do not necessarily
has -
> and from my experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary skills
to
> deal with copyright.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete
images
on
commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky
commons' uploads come
from
> cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <
jmh649(a)gmail.com
>
> ha scritto:
>
> > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested
in
> > > having more admins?
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay
for
> >
> access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a
> > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be
> > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to
see
> > > if this aspect of the more boring
side of sysop tools could be
> > > reduced.[1]
> > >
> > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping
> > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make
mass
> > > > housekeeping very easy.
> > > >
> > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic
image
> > > > hashes, which neatly show
"close" image matches.[2] With a
Commons
hat
> > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use
than
> > > mobile-related and structured
data-related projects that seem to
suck
> > > up all the oxygen and volunteer
time available.
> > >
> > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long,
that
> > > several of the most experienced
long term volunteers that were
> > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive
short
> > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the
useful
> > experiment stage, but the volunteers
involved simply fade away.
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Goo…
> > > > 2.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash
> > > >
> > > > Fae
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <
ladsgroup(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> > >
> > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores
support
> > for
> > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <
ymbalt(a)gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with
the
> > > > amount of
> > > > > > material it has to deal with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Yaroslav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
> > > > benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people
willing
or
> capable
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <
polimerek(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all
undeleted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing
several
> >
> > GLAM-related
> > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page
describing
> > > what it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then
you
can
> > > create a
> > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary
clashes
with
> > > Common's
> > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to
promote
> > you
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire
others to do
> > > something
> > > > > > > similar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for
uploaders,
but
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of
copyright
> violating
> > > > > files a
> > > > > > > day:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See the list from just one day:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's
admins have
to
> > cope
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day,
and
after
>
some
> > > time -
> > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves...
and
the
>
other
> > > > issue
> > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads -
screening
> > > > uploads
> > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > > > > thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hello all,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and
the
Commons
> > > > > components
> > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article
"Wikimedia
Commons: a
> > > highly
> > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students
contributions" at
the
> >
Education
> > > > > >> Newsletter
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Com…
> >
> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an
Outreach
> > > > project
> > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video
material, and
comeone
> on
> > > > Commons
> > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to
well-made to be
> student
> > > > projects
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations.
But some
> rather
> > > odd
> > > > > > > remarks
> > > > > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the
endless stream of
> uploaded
> > > > > > > copyrighted
> > > > > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San
Francisco
that
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > care."
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little
more than free
cloud
> > > storage
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia
".
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this
dispute?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Thrapostibongles
> > > > > > > >>
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