As I am the author of the post, some remarks:
* Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of the Wikipedias.
Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place is unfair and nonsense.
* Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to think on
experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying to convince to upload to
the Commons and find this burden. They don't know how to communicate and why they must
do it.
* The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the author. Period.
* Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying which is the original
work is not a good practice.
* Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great job-queue. But outreach
volunteers are less, and a project like this can take a whole year of volunteer work.
* After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was able to point to a
page where the procedure was clear for everyone.
Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have less problems.
Cheers
Galder
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I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on
commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from
cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work.
Vito
Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is
Commons interested in
having more admins?
James
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago a proposed project was for
the WMF to pay for
access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a
copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be
terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to see
if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be
reduced.[1]
Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping
image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make mass
housekeeping very easy.
A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image
hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons hat
on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use than
mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to suck
up all the oxygen and volunteer time available.
Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, that
several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were
originally interested have since retired. Without some positive short
term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful
experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away.
Links
1.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Goo…
2.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash
Fae
On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support
for
images
that might be copyright violation, or both.
Best
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the
amount of
> material it has to deal with.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or
capable
to
> do
> > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted.
> > >
> > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several
> GLAM-related
> > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing
what it
> > is
> > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can
create a
> > > project template to mark all
uploads with them.
> > >
> > > See:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > >
> > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with
Common's
> > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote you
> > project
> > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do
something
> >
similar.
> > >
> > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but on
the
> > other
> > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright violating
> files a
> > > day:
> > >
> > > See the list from just one day:
> > >
> > >
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > >
> > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to cope
with
> > > aggressive hostile copyright
violators every day, and after some
time -
> > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the
other
>
issue
> > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents.
> > >
> > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - screening
> uploads
> > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking.
> > >
> > >
> > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > >
> > >> Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons
> > components
> > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a
highly
> > >> hostile place for multimedia
students contributions" at the
Education
> > >> Newsletter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Com…
> >
>>
> > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach
project
> > >> uploaded some rather well-made
video material, and comeone on
Commons
> > >> deleted them because they
appeared to well-made to be student
projects
> > > and
> > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. But some rather
odd
> > > remarks
> > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of
uploaded
> > > copyrighted
> > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that
doesn't
> > care."
> > > >> and
> > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud
storage
for
> > >> images you intend to use on
Wikipedia ".
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?
> > >>
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