if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done) [citation needed]
I don't think this is entirely incorrect. Chances are that people would not notice or care if Fram was not an admin.
Isaac
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 2:05 PM Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra@gmail.com wrote:
if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done) [citation needed]
why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to
stop it.
Camelia
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Il giorno ven 14 giu 2019 alle ore 14:32 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibongles@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Fæ
[...] the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace
existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for banning bad behaviour on our projects.
Unfortunately, there is ample evidence that the existing English
Wikipedia
community processes are not "perfectly adequate" for that purpose.
If the English Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion
Indeed. Unfortunately the tone of the discussion here and at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_...
suggests that the requisite discussion is now less, not more, likely to happen
or
be
productive.
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