I do think that people should be sanctioned for off-wiki harassment if the harassment is a result of the on-wiki activities of the victim. It doesn't matter if it was done on-wiki or off-wiki, if we can identify the harasser and we are confident that their actions are motivated by onwiki activities of the victim.
Regards
Isaac
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 2:03 PM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Sadly, people with advanced permissions (admin, checkuser etc) on Wikimedia projects are almost immune to sanctions. You could imagine a behavior that would normally lead to a site ban for people with no permission will only result in a desysop for an administrator. Worst of it is Wikimedia Commons where there has to be two different RfC/votes to get an admin desysoped.
Isaac
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 1:46 PM camelia boban <camelia.boban@gmail.com wrote:
I quote David and Isaac. Harassment is a serious thing and hounding another user is out of any wiki behavior. Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask ourselves why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to stop it.
Camelia
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Il giorno ven 14 giu 2019 alle ore 14:32 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibongles@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Fæ
[...] the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace
existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for banning bad behaviour on our projects.
Unfortunately, there is ample evidence that the existing English
Wikipedia
community processes are not "perfectly adequate" for that purpose.
If the English Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion
Indeed. Unfortunately the tone of the discussion here and at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_...
suggests that the requisite discussion is now less, not more, likely to happen
or be
productive.
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