According to Fram, the WMF told him his "interaction ban" was for
maintenance tagging two articles, yes (and when I looked at the diffs, the
maintenance tags were accurate and necessary). So, either Fram is lying or
omitting something (and the WMF, for whatever reason, is not challenging
him on it), the WMF lied to Fram, or they did indeed sanction him for what
they told him they sanctioned him for.
Todd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:37 AM David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF
would ban an admin for
doing only what you describe?
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing
garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! Harassment!
Bad!"
If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND YOUR
SOURCES
PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's
rather a requirement anyway.
The editor in question repeatedly failed to do that, repeatedly had her
articles flagged for failure to do that, and regarded that as
"harassment"
rather than her own failure to follow the English
Wikipedia's policies.
Next time, she needs to find the sources first, and write the article
only
after she has them in hand.
Todd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM Robert Fernandez <
wikigamaliel(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> If someone is able to harass someone for years and nothing is done then
> clearly community procedures are not “perfectly adequate”
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already.
> >
> > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles,
> > terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki
death
> > threats or threats of suicide. There
are perfectly good and
> > understandable reasons as to why the evidence behind these attacks
and
> > threats would be kept unpublished,
it's seriously personal or
criminal
> > stuff.
> >
> > The WMF making topic bans, interaction bans and limited project
> > specific bans against Wikipedians is a brand new invention, which
goes
> > against the pre-existing understanding
that the WMF do not replace
> > existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for
> > banning bad behaviour on our projects. Once full time WMF employees
> > start doing in parallel what volunteer administrators already do,
then
> > we should question why we do not *pay*
volunteers administrators the
> > same hourly rate and we are likely to see a mass exodus of
> > administrators. After all, would you, say, deliver the post for free
> > in your area for fun, but thereby take away decent full time
> > employment with a guaranteed pension for your local postie?
> >
> > If the reason for the WMF stepping in to ban Fram for a year is
> > because the WMF do not trust Wikipedia administrators or Wikipedia's
> > Arbcom to take sensible action in harassment cases, then they should
> > be raising that honestly and openly with Arbcom. If the English
> > Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of
> > policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion than whether
> > Fram did something so terrible it cannot be named, but oddly was not
> > worth a global ban but only the equivalent of a 12 month block on
> > Wikipedia while they are free to do whatever they feel like on other
> > Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > Fae
> > --
> > faewik(a)gmail.com
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 15:35, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be,
> > consequences.
> > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So
what?
The
> > > only ting to be learned is that
some people believe they can do
> whatever
> > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes
ballistic
> > when
> > > consequences happen.
> > >
> > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if
that
> > did
> > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one year
is
> > like
> > > telling them to leave and don't come back. Someone at WMF is
clearly
> > overly
> > > sensitive, but not reacting would also be wrong.
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