Sometimes is hard to tell a harsh dispute from lack of civility.
Generally it's easy to focus on form rather than on substance.
Some issues are very complex to handle, for example some weeks ago,
criticizing someone (who wrote an aggravating email on this thread) brought
me to receive some truly nice insults in a private email. It's a very
complex case of a behavior which is formally "right" but which is widely
considered as destructive within the involved community.
WMF bans are meant to handle issues which cannot be handled by ordinary
community means, above all because they involve out-of-wiki elements.
In a recent incident I advocated for some changes in WMF ban (namely,
giving a wider framework to people which are supposed to help enforcing
them) but in my experience none of WMF ban I have sufficient background to
judge was unjustified.
Vito
Il giorno ven 14 giu 2019 alle ore 22:52 Andy Mabbett <
andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 19:18, Kirill Lokshin
<kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Rather, the problem occurs when a *popular*
competent editor violates the
civility policy (or, for particularly popular editors, virtually any
other
policy); the traditional consensus-based approach
to policy enforcement
makes it difficult, if not impossible, to effectively sanction an editor
with a substantial contingent of vocal supporters who will argue against
any such sanctions whenever the opportunity arises.
This.
And a number (not everyone, of course) of those screaming loudest
about the WMF's recent action are those whose style of behaviour would
see them sanctioned if a civility policy were properly enforced.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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