Wow, what a cluster. How does the WMF get themselves into these things? I have ten edits to en.wp since 2018 and even I could have 100% predicted the entire spectrum, and scale, of the reaction here. Why are WMF staffers so deeply, fundamentally disconnected from the communities where they feel the right to ban people for saying "fuck arbcom"?
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:49 PM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Amir, yes, ArbCom members must sign the WMF confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_info... ) , as must all functionaries (checkuser, oversight, etc.). I was on the English Wikipedia ArbCom for two years, and it was routine for us to deal with sensitive, private information.
Todd
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:46 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
People who oppose the ban: Are you aware of all aspects and things Fram
has
done? Do you have the full picture? It's really saddening to see how fast people jump to conclusion in page mentioned in the email. I personally, don't know what happened so I neither can support or oppose the ban. As simple as that.
So what should be done IMO. If enwiki wants to know more, a community
body
can ask for more information, if body satisfy two things:
- They had signed NDA not to disclose the case
- They are trusted by the community
I think the only body can sorta work with this is stewards but not sure (Does ArbCom NDA'ed?)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:58 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new. I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based on a false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm waiting
for
an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't surprise
me
at all. It is very unfortunate that the WMF apparently thrives in this kind of medieval obscurity, the opposite of the values of the Wikimedia
Movement.
Matter for Roles & Reponsibilities.
Best, Paulo
Benjamin Ikuta benjaminikuta@gmail.com escreveu no dia terça,
11/06/2019
à(s) 05:45:
Thanks for this.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one dismayed by the unilateralism
and
lack of transparency.
On Jun 10, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Techman224 techman224@techman224.ca
wrote:
Forwarding to WIkimedia-l since WikiEN-l is relatively dead.
Since this message, an Arbcom member (SilkTork) stated that they
weren't
consulted, nor did this action was the result of Arbcom forwarding a concern to the office. [1]
The only non-response excuse from the WMF [2] was that "local
communities consistently struggle to uphold not just their own
autonomous
rules but the Terms of Use, too.” even though there were no
complaints
on-wiki nor to Arbcom privately.
The on-wiki discussion is taking place at the Bureaucrats and the
Arbcom
noticeboards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboa...
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commit...
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commit...
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Statement...
Techman224
Begin forwarded message:
From: George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block Date: June 10, 2019 at 8:54:34 PM CDT To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
In case you're not following on-wiki - Office S&T blocked English
Wikipedia
user / administrator Fram for a year and desysopped, for
unspecified
reasons in the Office purview. There was a brief statement here
from
Office regarding it which gave no details other than that normal
policy
and
procedures for Office actions were followed, which under normal circumstances preclude public comments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram...
Several people on Arbcom and board have commented they're making
private
inquiries under normal reporting and communication channels, due
to
the
oddity and essentially uniqueness of the action.
There was an initial surge of dismay which has mellowed IMHO into
"Ok,
responsible people following up".
I understand the sensitivity of some of the topics under Office
actions,
having done OTRS and other various had-to-stay-private stuff
myself
at
times in the past. A high profile investigation target is most
unusual
but
not unheard of.
I did send email to Fram earlier today asking if they had any
public
comment, no reply as yet.
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