Thanks anyone of the interesting replies!
Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 17:03 John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
One reason; reach.
In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is.
At nowiki we vere approached some years ago by a
university about publishing cutting edge research in
fish farming. We
could not publish their work because some claimed it to be "original
research". Sure it was, and it was darn good original research too. I
don't think that was a single occurence, other communities has
probably had similar questions.
On Wikipedia you have no means to tell what is a good research, anyway.
Il giorno mar 4 giu 2019 alle ore 03:20 Thomas Shafee <
thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
- Accountability to the academic community - indexing by cope
<https://publicationethics.org/misconduct>, doaj <https://doaj.org>,
pubmed <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/>, scopus
<https://www.scopus.com/search/form.uri?display=basic>, web of science
<https://clarivate.com/products/web-of-science/>, free journal network
<https://freejournals.org> etc all require *extensive *external
auditing
of processes. Each journal has to apply for these individually and they
are
challenging to gain and retain.
Yup, indexing is definitely needed, though challenging.
3. Cynical academics may be drawn by the likely
high impact that the
journal will likely get form publishing a lot of broad review articles
and
the exposure of those through wikipedia
I'm not sure it would be auspicable to cite "our journal" on Wikipedia,
also it may boost COI.
- It could be a way to peer review parts of
wikidata (e.g. whether
the Drug interactions (P769) property set is up to date, and what
references should support any additions)
That's way interesting, though some mechanism of automatic update would
have the drawback of making some papers incoherent.
*Democracy*
So far the only inherently undemocratic part of the project has been the
strict requirements on the peer reviewers.
Our inner "gerarchy" is somehow based upon committment/process knowledge
rather than competence in specific fields. While academia is (well, should
be) exactly the opposite, both systems works where they are supposed to
work, I hope they'll work the same if mixed up!
Translation is a complex issue.
Using English as the lingua franca for science deeply boosted
internationalisation of research, but also added an extra requirement for
researchers. Translation also adds a non negligible delay in information
spread. I, for one, don't judge scientific article worth translation, but I
wouldn't oppose it.
I think the ND in plan-S is meant to address the plagiarism (also
self-plagiarism) problem/fears.
Vito
Il giorno mer 5 giu 2019 alle ore 07:27 Thomas Shafee <
thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
Such translation of CC content is pretty much
unpreventable and can be a
benefit or a drawback depending on the author's own opinion.
From the point of view of an official 'version of record' (i.e. what the
doi points to) the authors would be named along with attribution of all
contributors. If there are translations, they'd likely be marked as
somethign like "adapted by translators XYZ from article XYZ by original
authors XYZ under a CC-BY license", though details would need to be decided
if it came up. See this 2008 article
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2268932/> for some ideas
floated previously floated. I'll admit I've limited knowledge of
translation practices though, so the project would need advice!
For some existing Wikipedia-based examples:
- PLOS article
<
https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002…
and
uk.wp page
<
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0…
- PLOS article
<
https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1004…
and es.wp page
<
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiriendo_transferencia_gen%C3%A9tica_horizo…
Thomas
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 12:48, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When we publish CC BY SA on Wikipedia, we allow
translation into other
languages without having any control over the translations (but we
require
our name to be attached in some fashion). So
right now we do all the
time.
> Most of my academic publications are CC BY which is even more permissive.
> James
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:27 PM Thomas
Townsend <homesec1783(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 18:46,
James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wiki Journals use CC
BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as
that
> > would prevent translation into other
languages. That is why I
disagree
> > with
> > > Plan S's move to allow ND.
> >
>
> > So part of the offer is that an author's article may
be translated into
> > other languages without the original author having any say in the
> process?
> > Surely you would not permit your own articles to be republished in
> another
> > language with your name still on them and your having no control over
> what
> > the translation says in your name?
>
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