Hello everyone, sorry on my delayed answer.
I respond in the name of AffCom as inside the group it is one of the tasks
assigned to me.
In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom has
acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it assesses
the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests with
others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the already
recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns, using the
experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its members. And it
suggests, but does not decide affiliation.
In the specific case of Albania, the objectives purpose of the first UG
(Wikimedia Community User Group Albania) in that specific moment was the
Albanian language (which is spoken not only in Albania, but also in Kosovo,
Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece, Turkey, Italy) and activities especially
related to Wiki Loves Monuments, diversity and Wikidata, OSCAL and Software
Freedom Kosova. In the case instead of the second UG (Wikimedia Community
User Group Albania) the purpose was Outreach, GLAM and education,
everything focused territorially on Albania.
So no scope overlap, no territory overlap. Furthermore, the two groups had
always actively collaborated together until that point.
We followed the rules/models we actually have and these are the right
motivations for which AffCom has suggested at that time the recognition of
the second group. If instead we want to discuss about find/suggest
different models of affiliation or chage the existent, this must be a
separate conversation.
Thank you.
Camelia & Sami,
on behalf of AffCom
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Il giorno ven 8 feb 2019 alle ore 19:22 Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad
Fatkullin <frhd(a)yandex.com> ha scritto:
We are likely to eventually have a similar situation
in my region of the
Russian Federation & we welcome this.
1) A recently recognized Wikimedia Community of Tatar language User Group
(WUG TAT) is a language-oriented UG without geographical borders.
2) At the same time, we will eventually need a Tatarstan-centered
Wikimedia User Group / Subnational Thematic organization without specific
language focus.
I am actually in the process of laying the ground for the second. During
https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/05.02.2019/en I was given less
than a minute, but still managed to convince both Federal Deputy
Prime-Minister and Regional President. I will have to craft value
proposition statements & roadmaps in a way as to try have this implemented
first in my Republic, then across Russia.
farhad
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06.02.2019, 21:02, "Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l" <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>gt;:
I guess... probably one include also the
majority of Kosovo,
Albanian-speaking regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia
and maybe
even Southern Italy and the other one is just centered on Albania as a
state. This is not the same scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially,
also Greece) since in that case we had two group precisely centered on one
country.
It's not totally practical but the geopolitical situation is not
practical in
the end by itself... You cannot force people to get rid of a
group that might become a future national chapter because their language is
spoken by many other people in neighboring countries who already clustered
in a previous UG. So it should not be considered a critical situation per
se, although the interaction of the two UGs should be closely monitored and
addressed since the beginning.
What is missing is a precise guideline or attention to UG related to
languages (of
minorities or globally spoken). You could have the same
problem with a future Italian minor languages UG active in Corsica or
Croatia, with a Retho-romance Alpine language user group, with a gender gap
UG active in a language distributed along various borders... and so on.
They don't seem to show huge problems when similar situation exist in
reality but they could degenerate, stop cooperation, or never start it with
other UGs or national chapters.
I value plurality, I want UG to be created and
catalyze activities, and
I think that the problem is mostly the character of
people. However, I
strongly advocate a more structured architecture of language-based UG to be
implemented. Basically what I suppose was done with Catalan Wikimedia
Thematic Organization, although in that case there is no main entity
competing on the area of a sovereign country where Catalan is spoken (which
is not necessarily a better scenario, just complex in a different way). We
call them almost all "User groups" but they are sometimes local
geographical unions of users and volunteers (embryonic future national
chapters or just regional associations), language-oriented associations
created to involve minorities or cross-projects of interested users unified
by a topic. They all have different purpose and should be rationalized
somehow. I think I pushed a little bit in that direction on the application
to WikiSummit, stressing the importance to make order in the field.
IMHO, we should have single-language thematic
organizations
(specifically for a language), cross-language thematic organization
or
local UG centered on a vague historic geographical area or a very precise
administrative one. And think carefully about their status. This is however
just a vague idea.
Alessandro
Il mercoledì 6 febbraio 2019, 18:11:57 CET, Philip Kopetzky <
philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others are
left to deal with the fallout of this decision.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Kirill,
>
> I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having
> followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst
> possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer.
>
> Best,
>
> Paulo
>
> 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha <mardetanha.wiki(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
>> Hi Kirill
>>
>> Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I had
the
>> very same question.
>>
>> Mardetanha
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky <
>> philip.kopetzky(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Kirill,
>> >
>> > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the
>> Wikimedians
>> > of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a
>> > simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios
by
>> > reconising even more user groups
from the same area?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Philip
>> >
>> > On 22 May 2018 at 22:07, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone!
>> > >
>> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
>> recognized
>> > > [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Albania [2] as a Wikimedia User
>> Group.
>> > > The group aims to improve content about Albania across the
Wikimedia
>> > > projects, including Commons
and Wikidata, and to collaborate with
>> other
>> > > Wikimedia user groups, chapters, and other free culture groups in
>> Albania
>> > > and across the region.
>> > >
>> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user
group!
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Kirill Lokshin
>> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
>> > >
>> > > [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
>> > > Resolutions/Recognition_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania
>> > > [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
>> > Group_Albania
>> > >
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