The very smart Mr. Lih sayeth:
I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with
notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a direct
news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no.
[1]
Me too. In fact, I think this is something that Wikinews has always done
very well. It also strikes me as an excellent, and quite functional, use
for a Wiki. A wikivoices or wiki-interviews type project would be a fine
addition to the ecosystem, imho. And it is very reasonable to think that
given its success in this area, Wikinews could very easily pivot to fill
that spot.
But a news competitor to traditional news outlets? Nope, that it isn't.
Philippe
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:05 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:23 PM Jennifer
Pryor-Summers <
jennifer.pryorsummers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew
It seems to me that you're saying that, on the one hand, the policies
that
make Wikipedia work well as an encyclopaedia
(NOR, RS, V, NORUSH) are a
poor fit for a news-gathering operation and on the other hand, Wikipedia
is
a success as a news-gathering operation. These
seem inconsistent to me.
As Wikimedians we are secondary source news summarizers rather than primary
source news gatherers. That’s where the difference lies primarily.
I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with
notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a direct
news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no.
[1]
https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_discusses_the_future_of_Israel
However, I conclude from what you're saying
that the best way forward is
to
fold the Wikinews operation into Wikipedia. Is
that right?
Fold Wikinews altogether so it doesn’t confuse the public. Wikipedia
editors are already doing a stellar job.
Andrew
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:15 PM Andrew Lih
<andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:27 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers <
> jennifer.pryorsummers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Wikinews may not be doing too well, but (English-language) Wikipedia
> seems
> > to have taken up a news-gathering role not entirely consistent with
its
> > encyclopediac mission: perhaps
that's the reason. Maybe the WMF
should
> > sort out the demarcation issues.
> >
>
> Jennifer,
>
> This has been a topic of discussion for more than a decade and the vast
> majority of the community has converged on the conclusion that Wikinews
> hasn't and won't ever work at any scale given its fundamental
properties.
News is often described as "the best obtainable version of the truth
given
the constraints of a deadline." News depends
on memorializing direct
observation at a point in time. Therefore, the following policies that
make
Wikipedia work are a bad fit for original,
deadline reporting:
Wikipedia:NOR - no original research
Wikipedia:RS - requirement for reliable sources
Wikipedia:V - verifiability
Wikipedia:NORUSH - there is no deadline/eventualism
Most anyone who tries Wikinews first hand will experience this mismatch
and
realize it is a poor fit.
However, rather than lament why Wikinews doesn't work, we should
celebrate
> the fact that we have found a better mode: entries that evolve minute
to
> minute (oftentimes second to second) to best
reflect the world as we
know
> it. Embrace that new, live, constantly
updated snapshot of reality –
the
Wikipedia
article.
If you want to see some of the earlier debates about the origins of
Wikinews, October 2004 is a good place to look:
[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/thread.html
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/061017.html
-Andrew
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