On May 25, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Yaroslav Blanter
<ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Whereas I absolutely agree with Todd, let me note that in the list many
entries are unsourced or poorly sourced and can not be there according to
the policies.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We should no more follow French censorship laws
than we should follow
Turkish ones. All editors are responsible for compliance with the laws in
their jurisdiction.
Todd
On Fri, May 25, 2018, 12:53 PM sashi <learning(a)creoliste.fr> wrote:
Hello,
I am writing to ask if there are any plans to render the English
Wikipedia compliant with French privacy laws. Currently, if a French
high school student goes to a French library, reserves a computer, and
types "List of French Jews" into Google, Duckduckgo, or Dogpile, an
adhoc en.wikipedia list of over 850 people (approximately half of them
living) appears in the #2 position (Category: French Jews). In the first
position is the English Wikipedia page "List of French Jews" containing
the following text, originally added in 2010, showing that the
en.wikipedia community is aware that they are breaking French law:
"The French nationality law itself, strongly secular, forbids any
statistics or lists based on ethnic or religious membership."
A French person tagging biographies of living people in en.wp with the
category "French Jews" is a violation of French privacy law which would
expose the Wikipedian to a penalty of €300,000 and/or 5 years
imprisonment:
"Le fait, hors les cas prévus par la loi, de mettre ou de conserver en
mémoire informatisée, sans le consentement exprès de l’intéressé, des
données à caractère personnel qui, directement ou indirectement, font
apparaître les origines raciales ou ethniques, les opinions politiques,
philosophiques ou religieuses, ou les appartenances syndicales des
personnes, ou qui sont relatives à la santé ou à l’orientation ou à
l'identité sexuelle de celles-ci, est puni de cinq ans d’emprisonnement
et de 300 000 € d’amende." (source:
https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-penales )
There is, to the best of my knowledge, no such category on fr.wp, as
people in France are well aware of the law.
See also "List of West European Jews" / Category: French People of
Jewish descent / Category: French People of Arab descent / Category:
French Freemasons (167), Category: French Atheists (93 including a
recent president), etc.
I noticed in researching the question that the Category "French rapists"
(2 BLP) is associated with the hidden category "No indexed", whereas the
category "French Jews" (100s of BLP) is associated with the hidden
category: "categories requiring diffusion". As a temporary measure (to
avoid actively feeding this info into search engines), perhaps
categories related to racial/ethnic origins, religious & philosophical
opinions could be tagged "No indexed" rather than "requiring
diffusion"?
The WMF hosts their servers in the US, the Netherlands and will soon
also be hosting off-shore in Singapore, which probably leads WMF legal
to believe that this grants them immunity from French privacy laws.
Nevertheless, I thought I would mention that this is a potentially
significant problem going forward. Discussion leading to action
correcting this potential avenue of abuse might help the WMF to avoid
litigation, given that the current policies on English Wikipedia
actively facilitate violation of French laws.
(data from
petscan.wmflabs.org): French Christians (21 members), French
Hindus (17 members), French Buddhists (9 members), French Muslims (0
members), French Jews (862 members).
Thank you for your time considering how best to address this problem.
sashi
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