notability and verifiability are important, every culture and language
has this issue when it comes to sharing knowledge. These culture manage
successfully to share knowledge many of them long before the western styles
were developed, I'd say they are robust alternatives. The issue is how do
we bring these sources into the western system, how do we respect them,
how do we teach ourselves to understand that what we currently do is not
the only.
There are risks in potential abuses of every system, even our current
systems have their faults and we assume good faith in the citations from
books published but no digital. Changing the way we consider and value
alternative knowledge streams will take a leap of faith, the question is do
we really want to take that leap, do we really want to share the sum of all
knowledge, do we want to address inherent bias in our current knowledge
networks or are we comfortable with just token efforts.
Maybe the solution isnt in incorporating directly into the wikipedia but
rather the creation of new project to bring forth these alternative
knowledge streams
On 10 May 2018 at 21:47, Eduardo Testart <etestart(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I posted this a while ago, an investigation on gender bias where a member
of Wikimedia Chile was involved, in his personal capacity though:
https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.
1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4
There are many things that can be addressed individually and as a movement
or collective, if we believe the conclusions are valid, which I personally
do, since they are supported with data and not on our personal impressions.
Cheers!
El jue., may. 10, 2018 10:27, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
escribió:
Notability and verifiability are important. They
allow us to produce
reasonably reliable work. Moving away from those constraints opens the
doors to extremely unreliable material. If Wikipedia is to remain open to
anyone to edit, there do not appear to be any robust alternatives. Other
projects may work around this problem, but would then probably not be
open
for anyone to edit. Or can you suggest another
way?
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
"Nothing odd, it's baked in: Wikipedia is a summary of the canon of
knowledge, the corpus of generally accepted knowledge."
But it is what we accept as part of the canon of "knowledge" as Wikipedia
that could be improved. We have a very western approach to that saying
that
it needs to be published in such books or
journals to be notable enough,
when different cultures use different ways to build their canon of
knowledge.
JP
User:Amqui
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:53 AM FRED BAUDER <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thu, 10 May 2018 04:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
>
> ...because of our rules regarding references. Oddly,
> Wikipedia can at best only echo the systemic bias, but will never be
able
> to correct it."
>
> Nothing odd, it's baked in: Wikipedia is a summary of the canon of
> knowledge, the corpus of generally accepted knowledge.
>
> The knowledge industry could do better. And when it does, Wikipedia
will
reflect
that. in the meantime it is helpful if gender and other bias
issues
are noted and accommodated. Our mission is more
modest than full
correction
of all bias, but we can contribute or even lead.
Fred
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