This is off-topic (I presume) but the idea of the WMF increasing its
dependence on large corporate donors is beginning to trouble me. I want the
WMF to answer to our readers and volunteers not Bezos, Brin and Zuckerberg.
I say I presume this is off-topic because I presume the WMF isn’t, even
subconsciously, soft-peddling our share-alike right and right to effective
attribution from these re-users in exchange for dollars from these re-users.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 5:58 pm, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Agree with Gerard. We WANT Youtube, Facebook, and
others to use our
content. That is one reason why we have released it under an open license
and I believe one reason why we have been so successful. We of course also
want them to provide appropriate attribution. I think this would be better
achieved by reaching out and discussing it with these groups directly
rather than initially by legal means. In my experience most reputable
organizations are happy to attribute when asked.
With respect to intermediation and them providing financial or direct
technical support Google, Apple, and Microsoft are listed here as major
beneficiaries as is the Brin Wojcicki Foundation
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Benefactors Would the WMF be happy
with greater support? Yes I imagine so.
James
Please note that this is written in a personal capacity and does not
represent an official position of anyone but myself.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
Maybe you know, but Katherine Mayer gave a talk at the CC conference The
subject was big companies using our content (it is not just writing) and
making a profit giving nothing / not much in return. The issue she raised
is that it may interfere with our collaboration model. People will
associate our content with the company that profits in this way and not
contribute their knowledge their expertise with us.
So no word from the WMF, far from it. When you want the WMF to sue..
There
is wonder if the effect it will have is really
what we want. For me it is
first and foremost that people are properly informed and I prefer a
YouTube
a Facebook to use our data over them not to do so
over license issues.
Remember the days when Wikipedia was young; it was a wide held belief.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 16 April 2018 at 01:53, Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is someone from WMF monitoring wikimedia-l and
notifying relevant
employees
> when an issue arises under their remit? This issue - big companies
using
our
writing without attribution and like-licensing - has been hanging
with
no word from the WMF for six months.
Anthony Cole
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > I see this from Brian Heater at Tech Crunch on 25 March:
> >
> > "In a conversation earlier this week, Wikimedia’s Chief Revenue
Office,
> > Lisa Gruwell told TechCrunch that this
sort of usage doesn’t
constitute
any
> sort of formal relationship. Most companies more or less hook into an
API
> to utilize that breadth of knowledge. It’s
handy for sure, and *it’s
all
> well within Wikimedia’s fair use rules*, but
as with Maher’s letter,
the
> > CRO expressed some concerns about seemingly one-sided relationships
...
> *Smart
> > assistants are certainly playing by the applicable rules when it
comes
to
leveraging that information base.*"[1]
That article I link to has both Katherine (WMF ED) and Lisa (Chief
Revenue
> Officer) asking the companies who use our work for free to "give
back." I
> want them to give back too, but I don't
absolve them of their
obligation
> to
> > meaningfully attribute my work and share it with the same rights
> attached.
> > If it is the opinion of the WMF that these smart assistants are not
> > breaching my rights, I'd like to see the legal advice that opinion is
> based
> > on.
> >
> >
1.https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/24/are-corporations-that-
> > use-wikipedia-giving-back/
> >
> > Anthony Cole
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 5:47 PM, WereSpielChequers <
> > werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes of course the WMF can contact those who are detected reusing our
> >> content without fully complying with licenses and encourage them to
> >> comply.
> >>
> >> If a case were to go to court it would need to have one or more
> >> contributors who were willing to cooperate with WMF legal in the
case.
> But
> >> I doubt there would be a shortage of contributors who were keen to
do
> so.
> >>
> >> As for why the WMF should do so, here are three reasons:
> >>
> >> Each of our wikis is a crowd sourced project. Crowd sourcing
requires
a
> >> crowd, if a crowd settles down and stabilises it becomes a
community.
> The
> >> community is broadly stable, but we need a steady flow of new
> wikimedians,
> >> and our only really effective way of recruiting new Wikimedians is
for
>>
them
>> to see the edit button on our sites. An increasing shift to our
content
> >> being used without attribution is an existential threat to the
project
and
>> hence to the WMF.
>>
>> Our communities are made up of volunteers with diverse motivations.
For
> >> some of us the BY-SA part of the licensing is important, personally
I
feel
>> good when i see one of my photos used by someone else but attributed
to
> >> me.
> >> If the de facto policy of the WMF was to treat volunteer
contributions
as
>> effectively CC0 this would be demotivating for some members of our
>> community. I'm also active on another site where every member
regularly
>> gets stats on their readership,
something I very much doubt would
happen
> >> if
> >> it wasn't an effective mechanism to encourage continued
participation.
>>
>> Every organisation needs money, the WMF gets most of its money by
asking
>> for it on wikipedia and other sites.
Again, encouraging attribution
back
> >> to
> >> Wikipedia etc tackles the existential threat of other sites treating
> >> wikipedia et al as CC0.
> >>
> >>
> >> WSC
> >>
> >> On 5 April 2018 at 08:04, <wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> >> > > I'm curious also. I release my articles under
"attribution,
share
>>
alike"
>> > > and rely on WMF to preserve those rights.
>> >
>> > Why are you relying on the WMF? Wikipedia contributors (like
yourself)
> >
are the ones who own copyright to the articles - the WMF doesn't.
Unless
>> > you've granted/transferred copyright to the WMF (or some other
license
>> > enforcement agreement), I don't
think they can pursue legal action
for
>> > you or other Wikipedians. (IANAL,
etc.)
>> >
>> > -- Legoktm
>> >
>> >
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