Safety of attendees has for a long time been a criteria ... agree, but the risk assesement
we are discussing here is not about safety, but security. I am sure we might not use them
all properly, I am also not a native English speaker, but they are not the same concept,
right?
Now, there were examples where looking at a dossier where the information was about only
the first one... that's the point here. I am talking about events, the first email was
about the place of the office... but the motivation of a criminal act in both case can be
overlapping, so they are an unicum in a proper evaluation, IMHO. I am not expert in the
field, but if you start to assess the risk of someone harming you in SFO, that could
happen also in another place where many of the same people gather annually, and that you
also inform millions of people with sitenotices about it.
Now, I don't say that you must inform a lot. But if you are not the police you are
also not the fire brigade, but you wouldn't write in a candidature nothing or simply
"if there is a fire someone is paid to extinguish it"... you would make more
effort, and we do. If you don't want to add another paragraph in the final document,
rename it "safety and security" but start to think organically about it.
Alex
Il Venerdì 6 Aprile 2018 1:59, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
Safety of attendees has for a long time been a criteria that needs to be addressed when
bidding for any WMF event, the people bidding are the better placed to assess the reality
of the local situation. Open bidding processes enable others to also critically look at
the options, ultimately we are more at risk at home where feel comfortable then when
travelling. Every location has its risks, its undesirables, and crime, just getting a
taxi to and from the airport is a risk reality is its also more likely than a terrorist
event
On 6 April 2018 at 03:24, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
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That's why people offwiki say they don't discuss this thing on meta or here,
because you always have an "answer" like this... this sarcasm. in it's way,
an example of an unhealthy community.
Look at what I wrote:
"Even if it is not nice to think about it, and of course you try to do it mostly in
private, you should clearly write down at least at a certain point that you are preparing
to all scenario, contacting the police and so on. it should be a paragraph in a
candidature for an event, IMHO. but it should be done."
that's it. it's not complicated... I know because of partially direct
experience... it's part of the world, when you are professional. You can't prepare
an event of certain scale and in a certain areas and ignore it in the final dossier. There
will be someone who take a look at that. So, who talked about "solving
terrorism"? just the one who wanted to make a joke.
Maybe people are not big babies and even without constant reminder they don't
exaggerate. You have no idea with whom I discuss this aspect so far, what such wikimedians
do in their real life. They are able to focus on the point... the point is security and
if you replied this way to this question in many situations, you will be considered
unprepared.
Alex
Il Giovedì 5 Aprile 2018 20:29, Alphos OGame <alphos.ogame(a)gmail.com> ha
scritto:
I heartily agree : build that firewall, and let Cisco pay for it !
Wait, what were you suggesting in your incipit ? Oh, right, "a way that's
rational, avoiding to create unnecessary panic of course".
I'd rather not ask of people organizing conventions (which is already time-consuming
by itself) that they solve terrorism in their town, which is what the police are probably
more suited for, if you don't mind ; as a matter of fact, it is not one of their
duties as convention holders, plain and simple, and neither are they doctors, police
officers, judges, jesters, masseuses, nannies, yoga instructors, cooks, indentured
servants, etc (except of course if they are, which may happen).
So let's please not overreact, and stick to the current discussion instead of having
the next WikiConvention in a flying fortress with armed guards, sniffing dogs, and metal
detectors at every door…
Roger / Alphos
2018-04-05 18:40 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimediadia. org>:
I remember we discussed 2 or 3 years about this scenario with some wikimedians off wiki. I
strongly support to discuss at least once openly about that. In a way that it's
rational, avoiding to create unnecessary panic... of course.
Despite the claimed neutrality of the communities, reality always bites. Now, a terrorist
can imagine that we will not put a black banner if someone kill a lot of people
somewhere... but if same amount of wikimedians are killed at a international rally the
probability that a block ribbon, an editnotice with a statement appear on many language
edition is higher. it's an attack at the community like it is a proposal of a law
somewhere, and we naturally react stronger.
It would be a bigger impact, if you think about it. You can get the attention of billions
of people every time they connect to the 5th or 6th largest website in the world.
Cynically speaking, if you also consider the facts that it's about free knowledge and
volunteers, than a mass murder at at a wikimedian event might be more
"effective" than at a discotheque or the seat of a multinational conglomerate.
If i remember correctly. in the months before a certain wiki-event, many people linked to
radical activities were arrested in the area, in the same country. So, when you organize
an event, it's not just about safety but also security. Even if it is not nice to
think about it, and of course you try to do it mostly in private, you should clearly write
down at least at a certain point that you are preparing to all scenario, contacting the
police and so on. it should be a paragraph in a candidature for an event, IMHO. but it
should be done.
A.M.
Il Giovedì 5 Aprile 2018 18:09, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
I read/receive related craps
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ index.php?title=User_talk:
Vituzzu&diff=prev&oldid= 831949995>
on
a daily basis but it's hard to tell an idiot from a psychopath, so it may
become a risk for WMF offices.
Vito
2018-04-05 17:33 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>uk>:
I'm sure most of you will be aware of the
unfortunate events at
YouTube's HQ a couple fo days ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ YouTube_headquarters_shooting
Without giving away anything that might reveal vulnerabilities, does
the WMF have contingency plans for such an incident? What about at
community events in the US, and elsewhere?
--
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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