I don't think so, but this has interested me. The problem is how to look at
the data in such a way that it is meaningful. I tried to break it down a
bit and I have presented about the differences in women's occupations
across language wikis and gender here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gendergap_-_female_percentage_per_o…
Because of receiving timeouts I couldn't get all the data on the largest
wikis to do more work on the dataset, but this year I started tracking the
occupations linked to women in Wikidata per sitelinked language wiki using
Magnus's Listeria tool here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jane023/Number_of_women_per_occupation
Since I noticed lots of women on Wikidata were either linked to extremely
obscure occupations or mostly just still missing any occupation at all, I
decided to replicate the listeria list in userspace on some Wikipedias in
order to see if that helped, and it did. You can run the same query for any
language (I recommend trying it for Japanese or as you suggest, Arabic)
After looking at the Asian languages individually I noticed there are just
huge differences in the popular womens' occupations.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca
wrote:
> Good day,
>
> This is not related to gender bias, but an observation I made from reading
> this paper. Table 1 shows the different percentage of overlap between
> different languistic versions of Wikipedia with the English Wikipedia. Do
> anybody know if there are studies or reports focussed on that?
>
> For example, I notice that the Wikipedia with the less overlap from the
> above-mentioned table is the Arabic Wikipedia. To me, it seems to indicate
> another sort of bias on the English Wikipedia and other "Western" language
> Wikipedias in not necessarily including biographies from those parts of the
> world. Or maybe there is another "glass ceiling" not based on gender,
> meaning that somebody from the Middle East for instance needs to be more
> notable in average to be included on the English Wikipedia comparatively of
> somebody in North America or Europe. Do we have any analysis of that? Is
> that a question that is brought up in reflexions about bias?
>
> Thank you,
>
> JP
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:55 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> > The article was discussing the proportion of articles about specific
> > gender and possible reasons why this situation exists. What I
> > mentioned was simply one among many potential explanation.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Eduardo Testart <etestart(a)gmail.com>
>
wrote:
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > I think the article is not related to paid editing, if you wish to
> > discuss
> > > that subject, you should probably open another thread.
> > >
> > > It would be nice if the discussion and comments can be kept on topic :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > El sept. 22, 2017 3:49 PM, "James Heilman"
<jmh649(a)gmail.com>
> escribió:
> > >
> > > How do we know? Those who work extensively in this topic area and are
> > > good at picking up paid editing make an educated guess. There are well
> > > known patterns that represent paid editing. We could likely build a
> > > tool that could look at all BLPs and give a numerical value to the
> > > percentage that are most likely written for pay. If you look at a
> > > random group of new BLPs at WP:NPP you will also get a decent idea.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Andy Mabbett
> > > <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
> > >> On 22 September 2017 at 18:24, James Heilman
<jmh649(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> We know that a sizable proportion of articles
> > >>> about people are paid for by the individual themselves or their
> > >>> representative.
> > >>
> > >> We do? How? And what size is that "sizable proportion"?
> > >>
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