We need to have develop apks (the file format for an app) that can be passed around by USB stick or other method and yes more mirrors are important. We need to make it clear that it is impossible to suppress open content :-)
James
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
Yes but we are speaking about Turkey.
Kiwix is offline but also *portable*. It's sufficient to download once and to distribute many times.
Kind regards
Il 08 Mag 2017 12:11, "Gabriel Thullen" gabriel@thullen.com ha scritto:
Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no internet access can get Kiwix and that means that we do need to "clone Wikipedia content". It is quite expensive to download Kiwix because of the huge data charge that it implies, and it also takes for ever with a poor connection. We
tend
to forget that when we live in countries where we have 24H 7/7 unlimited internet...
Best regards Gabe
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly
addressed.
We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero
services,
as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them.
Regards On May 8, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block internet.
The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files
for
downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content.
However that approach will save readers but not writers.
Kind regards
Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen" gabriel@thullen.com ha
scritto:
I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries
that
have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government
to
block
the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia
Zero
will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block
on
kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the
good
old
sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a viable option...
Gabe
On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <
darekj@alk.edu.pl
wrote:
Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel
through
Tor by default - in the spirit of The Guardian project. Informing
users
about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact
that
most
people will not be able to grasp it.
Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
> The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need
to
keep
in
> mind: > > * Access > > over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially
hindered
by
> governments but also technical and monetary realities in
various
country
> and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do
work
in
> this area with initiatives like Wikipedia Zero and Offline
Wikipedia
/
> Kiwix. > > James > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1].
The
start
of
> > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.* > > > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work
reading,
> > sorting, and summarizing more than 1,800 community member
statements,
> from > > more than 100 community discussions from across five
continents.
Each
of > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we
want
to
> build > > or achieve together over the next 15 years?" > > > > You can find the full report on the major themes, and more
details
about > > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1] > > > > Some common themes emerged from these conversations: > > > > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content > > * Community health & support > > * Internal & external collaboration > > * Improved and new features > > * Users, editors, & contributors > > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion > > * Innovation and adaptation > > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs > > * Support for emerging communities > > * Advancing Wikipedia in education > > * Movement values > > * Sustainability & growth > > > > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the
body
of
the
> > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis
will
be
> posted > > soon. > > > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these
themes
> together, > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in
the
next
> cycle. > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the
grouping
and
> > analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make
sure
we
can
> get > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions
until
next
> week. > > > > As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked
Wikipedia
in
Turkey > > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to
understand
the
> > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing
in
Turkish
> > court. We’re grateful to everyone who has reached out to
offer
us
your
> > thoughts and perspective. Government limitations on free
knowledge
are
> just > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the
movement
strategy > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has
been
a
> > reminder for me how important our work is, and how it has
very
real
> > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you. > > > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of
yourself”),
> > > > Katherine > > > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on > Meta-Wiki.[3] > > > > [1] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report > > [2] > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish- > authorities-block-wikipedia/ > > [3] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > movement/2017/Updates/5_May_2017_-_Update_15_on_Wikimedia_ > > movement_strategy_process > > > > -- > > Katherine Maher > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > 149 New Montgomery Street > > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 > > +1 (415) 712 4873 > > kmaher@wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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