We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia
zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly addressed.
We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero services,
as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them.
Regards
On May 8, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" <valdelli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be
cloned. A
governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block
internet.
The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for
downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content.
However that approach will save readers but not writers.
Kind regards
Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabriel(a)thullen.com> ha
scritto:
I agree with James that we need to encourage
initiatives like Kiwix
Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries that
have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to
block
the
Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators
providing Wikipedia Zero
will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block on
kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the good
old
sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a
viable option...
Gabe
On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
wrote:
> Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel
through
> Tor by default - in the spirit of The
Guardian project. Informing users
> about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact that
most
> people will not be able to grasp it.
>
> Dariusz Jemielniak
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to
keep
in
> mind:
>
> * Access
>
> over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially hindered
by
> governments but also technical and monetary
realities in various
country
> > and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do work
in
> > this area with initiatives like
Wikipedia Zero and Offline Wikipedia
/
> > Kiwix.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1]. The
start
of
> > > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.*
> > >
> > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work
reading,
> > > sorting, and summarizing more than
1,800 community member
statements,
> > from
> > > more than 100 community discussions from across five continents.
Each
> of
> > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we want
to
build
> or achieve together over the next 15 years?"
>
> You can find the full report on the major themes, and more details
about
> > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> >
> > Some common themes emerged from these conversations:
> >
> > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content
> > * Community health & support
> > * Internal & external collaboration
> > * Improved and new features
> > * Users, editors, & contributors
> > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion
> > * Innovation and adaptation
> > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs
> > * Support for emerging communities
> > * Advancing Wikipedia in education
> > * Movement values
> > * Sustainability & growth
> >
> > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the body of
the
> > > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis will be
> > posted
> > > soon.
> > >
> > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these themes
> > together,
> > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in the
next
> > cycle.
> > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the grouping
and
> >
analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make sure we
can
> > get
> > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions until
next
week.
>
> As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked Wikipedia in
Turkey
> > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to understand the
> > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing in
Turkish
> > court. We’re grateful to everyone who
has reached out to offer us
your
> > thoughts and perspective. Government
limitations on free knowledge
are
> > just
> > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the movement
> strategy
> > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has been
a
> > > reminder for me how important our
work is, and how it has very real
> > > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you.
> > >
> > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of yourself”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
> > Meta-Wiki.[3]
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report
> > > [2]
> > >
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-
> > authorities-block-wikipedia/
> > > [3]
> > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > movement/2017/Updates/5_May_2017_-_Update_15_on_Wikimedia_
> > > movement_strategy_process
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 149 New Montgomery Street
> > > San Francisco, CA 94105
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
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kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i grupy badawczej NeRDS
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
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członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
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http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
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Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/ killed-wikipedia-93777/
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