On every continent there are likely risks and we should be aware of them.
Copyrights issues are also something to look out for.
In the Netherlands the telecom enforcement agency is pretty strict and
active in enforcing net neutrality.
But yes, risks are spread over the world.
Where the servers are located I do not mind that much, but spread around
the world seems to be required to spread the risk.
Romaine
Op zaterdag 28 januari 2017 heeft Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> het
volgende geschreven:
Actually some parties might bring EU to low standards
of freedom of
expression.
For what concerns Wikimedia, I fear more lobbying about copyright related
legislation or about net neutrality than USA turning into a dictatorship.
I'm not afraid of a complete service disruption but instead of things
getting more and more complicate in a globalized World being broken up. We
rely upon a level of freedom to move people and data (mainly among the two
shorelines of the Atlantic ocean) which has no precedents in human history.
Offline backups -to renew on yearly basis- are not so expensive to be
physically sent to chapters, or at least a certain number of chapters
meeting some requirements (e.g. a physical location, some IT, etc.). It
would instead be *hard* to rebuild an infrastructure almost from the
scratch.
What puzzles me is our ability to nullify impact of end of USA safe harbor
or (possible) or, for example, Netherlands ceasing net neutrality
(currently almost impossible) or similar kind of changes in any Country,
which doesn't imply dictatorship but still will have a significantly impact
over our operations.
Vito
2017-01-28 13:07 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com
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Hi Nathan,
You describe what I tried to say: threats to the environment in what
Wikimedia operates.
In the Netherlands there has been a government based on populism (with
Geert Wilders) but the effects were very limited. The same in other EU
countries. Political parties and political leaders in Europe are aware of
the world wars that took place and are not out of the minds, so extremes
are much less extreme. Even in comparison with the US now less extreme.
Like the archives of Alexandria got lost due being stored in one place,
let
us not make that mistake again. Whatever the
cause of troubles is,
nature,
humans, fire, etc.
To me the most safe option would be to have a back up at every continent,
thus the risks are spread.
Romaine
Op zaterdag 28 januari 2017 heeft Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com
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geschreven:
Romaine makes some good points. There is a
legitimate concern that the
turn
> to populism and unpredictability threatens the environment in which
> Wikimedia operates, and its only reasonable to consider a move of core
> assets somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric.
> Perhaps the Netherlands is a good alternative, although Geert Wilders
is
quite
popular there... The United Kingdom, perhaps? Yet with Brexit and
UKIP, one wonders how safe Wikimedia would be there. Perhaps France, if
not
> for Marine Le Pen... This is more challenging than I expected. Where
will
we find
some place that is protected from the pernicious threats that
beset
> the Wikimedia Foundation in the United States?
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:33 PM,
Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com
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> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Today I was reading in the
(international) news about websites with
> > knowledge on the topic of climate change disappear from the internet
as
result of the Trump administration. The second thing I
read is that
before
> something can be published about this topic, the government needs to
> approve this.
> Do you realise what the right word
for this is? censorship.
> Even if it is only partially.
> Luckily there are many scientists
working on getting all the data
abroad,
> out of the US to ensure the research data is
saved, including on
servers
> in
> > the Netherlands where Trump (hopefully) has no reach.
>
> > In the past week I was
reading about the Internet Archive
organisation,
who
> is making a back up in Canada because of the Trump administration. I
did
> not understood this, you may call me naive,
but now I do understand,
> apparently they have some visionary people at the Internet Archive.
> I miss a good answer to this
situation from the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Trump is now promoting harassment and
disrespect, already for some
time,
> What signal is given to the rest of the world if an America based
> organisation is spreading the thought of a harassment free Wikipedia
and
> the free word, while the president of the US
is promoting harassment,
> disrespect and censorship on a massive scale.
> This is just the first week of this
president!
> I am 100% sure everyone in the
Wikimedia movement is willing to make
sure
> > Wikimedia faces no damage whatsoever, including in WMF, but to me
this
still starts to get concerning.
If we as Wikimedia movement think that free knowledge, free speech,
freedom
> of information, etc are important, I would think that the location
where
> the organisation is based is that country
where liberty is the
largest, I
> > do not know where this is but it is definitely not the US.
>
> > To my impression WMF is
stuck in the US, so I do not believe they
would
>
actually move when the danger grows.
> But I think it is possible to make
sure risks are spread over the
world.
> > Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover
the
> > knowledge of the whole humanoid
civilisation.
>
> > To come to a conclusion, I
think WMF and the Wikimedia movement
should
> > think about a back-up plan if it
actually goes wrong.
>
>
> > If you do not agree with me: that is perfectly fine,
that's your
right
> and
> > should be protected.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> > Romaine
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