Hi Rogol,
that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go all the
way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further discussions
over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item has been
a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am
misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation of the
shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia
products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes the
Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead?
Cheers,
Denny
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Denny
Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our high-level
roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in Commons
project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our product
roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the Structured
Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for a pointer
to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development roadmap, and
in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred to in Wes
Moran's initial post on this topic:
But I appreciate the speed of your reply.
"Rogol"
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Rogol,
this was the link previously provided on this project:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview
including
links to previous documents.
Cheers,
Denny
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Lisa
You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so
this grant is not diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us
to
accelerate the work we were planning to do".
Please would you publish,
or
point to, a version of that product roadmap that
can inform the
community's
participation in such planning exercises as the
2017 Wikimedia Movement
Strategy and other more tactical product planning processes.
Thanks in advance
"Rogol"
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lisa Gruwell <lgruwell(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hi Pete and Gerard-
>
> I just wanted to give my thoughts on restricted gifts. Like most
things,
> > there are both good and bad restricted gifts. They can be bad if a
> funder
> > is making a well-intentioned gift that none-the-less pulls the
> organization
> > in direction that they were not planning to go. Or even worse, when
a
funder pays for something outside of an org's
plans that has ongoing
maintenance cost that are not covered in the grant.
This is why the WMF board reviews all restricted grants per our gift
policy
> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Gift_policy>. Those are the
types
> > of
> > dynamics that the board considers when they review a restricted
grant.
> >
> > Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so this grant
is
> not
> > diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us to accelerate
the
> work
we were planning to do. In terms of restrictions, we have to
follow
> > through with the plan we submitted. In other words, do what we said
we
are
> going to do. I think that accountability is a good thing. And the
Sloan
> > Foundation is a great long-term funder of WMF. If something changes
as
> the
> > work progress, I have no doubt we could have a reasonable
conversation
with
them about adjusting the plan.
Best,
Lisa
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Maybe restricted but the subject matter is exactly what we want
anyway.
> > Where I have my reservations is that
Wikidata will be set in stone
and
> > > stuff that just is not right will be with us for forever. With more
> money
> > > it does not need to be a huge problem because it makes it more
> > manageable.
> > > Thanks,
> > > GerardM
> > >
> > > On 9 January 2017 at 21:52, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Structured data on Commons is a huge and important area -- for
one
>
thing,
> > > the whole Media Viewer project would have gone much more smoothly
if
> > > there
> > > > were underlying structured data to rely on. Kudos to WMF and
Sloan
> for
> > > the
> > > > focus on this issue!
> > > >
> > > > If I'm not mistaken, this is by far the most extravagant
restricted
grant
> > in the history of the WMF. I believe the Stanton Foundation's
usability
> > grant ($890k in 2008)[1] and Public
Policy Initiative grant ($1.2
million
> > in 2010)[2] are the only ones that comes close. In the past, WMF
board
> > > members have expressed great skepticism about -- specifically --
the
> > > Sloan
> > > > Foundation's influence, when it sought to place an observer in
WMF
>
board
> > > meetings. A former WMF Executive Director has written at length
about
> > the
> > > > dangers of restricted grants.
> > > >
> > > > It appears there is a new theory in play around restricted
grants.
Will
> > > somebody be expressing it publicly? Will the past practice of
> publishing
> > > the details of the grant expectations be followed?[3]
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > > --
> > > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> > >
> > > [1]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2008/12/03/improved-usability-
> > > in-our-future/
> > > [2]
> > >
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/May_
> > > 2010_Wikimedia_Foundation_will_engage_academic_experts_
> > > and_students_to_improve_public_policy_information
> > > [3]
> > >
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_
> > > Initiative_project_details
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wes Moran <wmoran(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Wikimedia community,
> > >
> > > It’s our delight to inform you that we received a US$3,015,000
grant
> > from
> > > > the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation> [1]
to
> > > expedite
> > > > development of structured data on Commons. The grant will be
given
> over
> > > the
> > > > course of three years, and will allow us to develop a team, in
> > > > collaboration with the Wikidata team at Wikimedia Deutschland,
that
> can
> > > > focus on integrating the structured data features of Wikidata
into
> > > > > describing the media files on Commons.
> > > > >
> > > > > This work will allow us to expedite features both on the
Wikidata
> > > development roadmap, and in other
products supported by the
Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation. The grant also provides funding to ensure that
movement
> > > > stakeholders, like Wiki Loves
Monuments and GLAM-Wiki program
> leaders,
> > > and
> > > > external partners who contribute heavily to Commons, such as
GLAMs,
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > involved in the development.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have drafted a high level overview of the grant and its
scope,
> >
> available
> > > > on Commons
> > > > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_
> > data/Sloan_Grant>
> > > > [2]. A blog post about the grant is also available on the
Wikimedia
> > > blog
> > > > > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation-
> > > structured-data>
> > > > > [3].
> > > > >
> > > > > We are currently in the process of identifying the technical
lead
for
> > the
> > > > project. If you have questions, Alex Stinson, the Foundation’s
> > GLAM-Wiki
> > > > strategist, will be leading the community engagement and
> communications
> > > for
> > > > the project until we hire a community liaison as part of the
grant.
> > Stay
> > > > tuned for more details about the project in the coming months.
> > > >
> > > > We’re excited to be able to support this project, and look
forward
> to
> > > > your
> > > > > participation in its development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Wes Moran and Maggie Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > > *Wes Moran, Vice President of Product*
> > > > > *Maggie Dennis, Interim Chief of Community Engagement *
> > > > > *Wikimedia Foundation*
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation
> > > > > [2]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/
> > Sloan_Grant
> > > [3]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation-
> > structured-data
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