Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

21 Mar 2016

      Hello
I am with all of those who see this as a positive thing. But perhaps a bit
of gentle curation of their initial experience could be the "fix" that is
needed rather than just cutting any fledgeling editors off altogether. How
about the following ...
reader decides to edit
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clicks on edit button
directed to registration
then to a step by step introduction to initial editing with links
(simplified pillars, neutrality, info about media)
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at end of steps put in touch with a member from either the a) language
community (in this case, Wikipedia Portuguese) to access initial editing
resources, OR b) put in touch with Wikimedia Chapter or Usergroups (where
possible) to request a notification on the next editing/community event. If
they still want to edit after that, then all power to them ... but at least
we have supported their effort and not cut them off entirely or confused
them into wrong actions or trolling.
Of course, you will always get people who are trying to be inappropriate,
but that can be taken care of on an individual and not a national basis.
warmest
Isla
On 21 March 2016 at 06:10, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Aye, what Vito said.
For some context the WP0 team reached out to me when the partners started
flagging some of this as well. We've been considering a couple different
options which I think should be wider discussed. Part of that was also a
realization that we needed a way to actually tell if something was coming
from WP0 compared to a non-WP0 user and they implemented technical changes
with ops so that a header is passed through flagging that early this year
allowing for more targeted actions to be taken. Completely figuring out the
extent of the problem has also been though since it seems that even when
Wikipedia Zero is blocked the users most set at getting around restrictions
(which are, of course, the most dangerous in many  ways) also use other
options such as Facebook's Internet Basics/FB0 which also apparently gives
free access to our sites.
Some of the options considered (not yet implemented though I'd be
interested in peoples thoughts on them):

Edit filters (targeted specifically to WP0 or otherwise) flagging

abnormally large files when compared to the stated file type or files
   coming in through WP0 in general.

File upload blocks or other filtering (such as file sizes over X or

videos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126696) specifically on WP0
   ranges.

More technical measures to try and detect abnormal images or PDFs that

hold hidden files (apparently this is actually very difficult).
We've been talking with multiple groups within Engineering and given the
new information and options are going to continue to do so. I do think that
it is overall a "good" thing that people are trying to edit (originally all
we saw was the bad uploads and organized copyright violations which was
much less of a good thing...) but it's definitely true that we don't want
to overwhelm the current community in such a way that we not only lose
those new editors but old ones as well (or push them back so hard given the
necessity of protecting the wiki that they never come back). I think it
would be really good to think about ways to help deal with that.
James Alexander
Manager
Trust & Safety
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
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Anytime a new linguistic group joins Wiki* we should expect a looooooong
September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September which will
sooner or later end. Meanwhile what might become *so* problematic (and
then
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must be stopped asap) is the usage of Commons as a file sharing platform.
There's a series of technical countermeasures (stopping truncated files,
setting requirements for upload of videos...) which don't imply blocking
editing from Zero.
Vito
2016-03-20 17:05 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
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In a way, it is great to hear that Wikipedia zero is attracting new
editors! That is what I hoped for more than increasing readership.
The general question on how to stimulate positive edits while
discouraging
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negative contributions is the tricky part. What we always tell
outsiders
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on
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why we can cope with vandalism or simply bad edits is that we made it
easier to identify and revert it than to make them.
Maybe a superfluous question, but can we still differentiate individual
devices from each other somehow? I can imagine this is a tricky part if
not...
Besides the obvious downside,  are the positive sides also visible? Do
we
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see more edits on Angola relayed topics? Do you see more positive
active
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users from Angola?
Lodewijk
Op zondag 20 maart 2016 heeft Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
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het volgende geschreven:
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Hoi,
Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler.
Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I
find
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appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate.
Nobody
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would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time
as a
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movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While
you
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may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you
suggest
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as
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it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve.
What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with
it
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but
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throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !!
Thanks,
      GerardM
On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emrany@gmail.com
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Hi Adele
Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’
relationship
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with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1]
Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has
been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after
regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns.
WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded
support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or
Facebook's ersatz versions [2]
Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership,
why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these
accounts.
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David
[1]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-comp...
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[2]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-prot...
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On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avrana@wikimedia.org javascript:;>
wrote:
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Hi Teles,
As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to
respond
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and
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provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing
up.
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Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by
requiring
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HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly
impacted
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the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed
editing
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(and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated
access
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from
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just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do
not
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reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on
Wikipedia.
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In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the
upload
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of
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copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other
concern
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regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of
new
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good
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faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular
challenge
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of the extra work this causes for existing community members.
Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few
subscribers
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of
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a
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Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the
pirates
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upload
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copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed
form
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(like
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huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on
Facebook
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or a
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similar public forum for others to download. When partners become
aware
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of
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this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to
Community
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Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's
removed.
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We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem,
and
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we
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would
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prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright
(without
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significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last
fall,
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we
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had
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internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this
problem.
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However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic
from
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zero
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rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address
this
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issue.
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As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work.
With this task completed, our team, in coordination with
community
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engagement and engineering is working on finding the best
approach
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to
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resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are
eager
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to
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examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the
discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also
update
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you
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and
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the list here.
On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to
increase
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readership. This is measured in potential reach (through
subscriber
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counts)
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and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships.
There’s
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not
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enough information to show that Zero can also increase
editorship,
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but
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it
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is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access.
So
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if
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that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great
thing.
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However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing
editing
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community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to
be
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a
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crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to
have. I
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hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into
an
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opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors.
Best regards,
Adele
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com
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> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which
are
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> interesting to read -- read them in english --
> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf  of course I
dont
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expect
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> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read
them
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but
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> they
> do know the principles of it and what they can do
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> some points of interest
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>    - Non protected works Article  9 section c -- news of the day
published
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>    by the press or broadcast
>    - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29
section
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b -
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>    reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to
> photographic
>    process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching
> organisations
>    ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but
wither
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way
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>    Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as
permitted
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to
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>    reproduce
>    - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into
Portuguese
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>    after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the
pt.wikis
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>    having so much of an issue and by extension commons where
they
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> encourage
>    uploading of media
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> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the
implication
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of
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> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws
are
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this
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> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero
could
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> provide
> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option,  with a
rights
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request
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> process on commons
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> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <teleswiki@gmail.com
javascript:;> wrote:
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> > Hi, everyone.
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> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and
Commons
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(at
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> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from
IP
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> addresses
> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related
with
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> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone
company
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[1]
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> > that allows reading and editing at free cost.
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> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that
was
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just
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> set
> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are
being
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done
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> in a
> > way that volunteers can't handle.
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> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that
hit
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> > Commons
> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be
controled
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> or
> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing
that
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seemss
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> to
> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they
end
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by
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> > being
> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being
pages
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of
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> files
> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users
identified
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> > actually
> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero.
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> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think
it
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is
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> > time
> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other
than
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> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I
tend
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to
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> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users
should
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be
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> made
> > out.
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> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice
that
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(as
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> > I
> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they
will
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try
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> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage.
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> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem,
by
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using
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> any
> > off-wiki strategy.
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> > Kind regards.
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> > Teles
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> > [1] -
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http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--11...
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&...
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835...
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> > *Lucas Teles*
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> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects